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GREGORY Volume VI
TESTIMONY
OF DR. CHARLES FRANCIS GREGORY
The testimony of Dr. Charles Francis Gregory was taken at 2:30 p.m., on
March 23, 1964, at
Mr. SPECTER. May the record show that at the start of this session that I
have here at the moment Dr. Charles Gregory, who has appeared here in response
to a letter of request from the President's Commission on the Assassination of
President Kennedy.
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May I say to you, Dr.
Gregory, that the purpose of the Commission is to investigate all facets
relating to the assassination, including the wounding of President Kennedy, and
the wounding of Governor Connally, and we have asked you to appear here for the
purpose of testifying concerning your treatment of Governor Connally.
Our rules specify that we make a brief statement of the purpose of the
Commission, and the purpose of our calling on you. Now, will you stand up and
raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear the testimony you will give before the President's
Commission in this deposition proceeding will be the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Dr. GREGORY . I do.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you state your full name for the record, please ?
Dr. GREGORY. Dr. Charles Francis Gregory.
Mr. SPECTER. And what is your profession, sir?
Dr. GREGORY. I am a physician and surgeon.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you outline your educational background, please?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes; I received a bachelor of science degree from
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, are you certified by the American Board?
Dr. GREGORY. I am certified by the American Board of Orthopedic Surgery;
yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And what year were you so certified?
Dr. GREGORY. In 1953. I am
now a member of the American Board of Orthopedic Surgery, as a matter of fact.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, what experience, if any, have you had in the
treatment of gunshot wounds?
Dr. GREGORY. My experience with the treatment of gunshot wounds began
with my training in orthopedic surgery, but its greatest impetus occurred in
1953 and 1954 in the Korean theatre of operations with the
Mr. SPECTER. Could you approximate the total number of gunshot wounds you
have had experience with?
Dr. GREGORY. I have had personal experience with, I suppose, in
approximately 500 such missile wounds.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, back on November 22, 1963, did you have
occasion
to
treat Governor Connally?
Dr. GREGORY. I did.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you relate briefly the circumstances surrounding your
call to treat the Governor?
Dr. GREGORY. I had been seeing patients in the health service at the
medical school building on the morning of November 22 and was there when word
was received that the President had been shot.
I did not then know that the Governor had also been injured.
I came to the emergency room of
I was advised that they were not. I
then took a number of persons from the emergency room area with me away from it
in order to reduce the confusion, and I went to the orthopedic ward on the fifth
floor west of
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Mr. SPECTER. At approximately what time did you have that conversation
with Dr. Shaw?
Dr. GREGORY. To the best of my knowledge. that conversation must have
been about between 1 and 1:15 in the afternoon of November 22.
Mr. SPECTER. And that conversation was with Dr. Shaw ?
Dr. GREGORY. Dr. Robert Shaw.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, what part did Dr. Robert Shaw have in the treatment of
Governor Connally in a general way?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, Dr. Robert Shaw attended the most serious wound that
the Governor sustained, which was one to his right chest, and it was his
operation which took precedence over all others.
Mr. SPECTER. And, was that operation completed before your operation
commenced ?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes; Dr. Shaw's operation had been completed before we even
arranged the Governor's right arm and left thigh for definitive care.
Mr. SPECTER. At approximately what time did your operation of Governor
Connally begin?
Dr. GREGORY. My operation on Governor Connally began about 4 o'clock p.m.
on Friday, November 22.
Mr. SPECTER. And approximately how long did it last?
Dr. GREGORY. The better part of an hour--I should judge---45 to 50
minutes.
Mr. SPECTER. Who, if anyone, assisted you in that operation?
Dr. GREGORY. I was assisted by the junior orthopedic resident, Dr.
William Osborne, and the orthopedic intern, Dr. John Parker.
Mr. SPECTER. What was Governor Connally's condition when you first saw
him with respect to his chest wounds, first, if you will, please tell us?
Dr. GREGORY. I did not see Governor Connally myself until he had been
taken into the operating room and had had an endotracheal tube placed in his
larynx and had been anesthetized. Having
accomplished this, the very precarious mechanics of respiration had been
corrected and his general status at that time was quite satisfactory.
Mr. SPECTER. What observations did you have with respect to his wound in
the chest?
Dr. GREGORY. I had none, really, for the business of prepping and draping
was underway at that time, and I did not intrude other than to observe very
casually, and I don't remember any details of it.
Now, I did see in the course of the operation the wound in his chest, the
wound of entry, and its posterior surface and the wound of exit on the anterior
surface.
Mr. SPECTER. What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY. It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a
linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central
portion. Whereas, the wound of exit
was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.
Mr. SPECTER. And at approximately what part of the body was the wound
that you described as the wound of entry?
Dr. GREGORY. In view of the drapes that were on the Governor at the time,
I will have to speculate, but as I recall best, it was in an area probably 2
inches below and medial to the right nipple.
Mr. SPECTER. Is that the wound of entry or exit?
Dr. GREGORY. That's the wound of exit.
Mr. SPECTER. How about the wound of entry?
Dr. GREGORY. The wound of entry was too obscure for me to identify, since
it was just in general over the posterior aspect of his chest.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe with respect to the wound of his wrist?
Dr. GREGORY. I didn't see the wound of his wrist until after the chest
operation had been completed, because his arm was covered by the operation
drapes, the surgical drapes for the chest procedure.
Mr. SPECTER. And when you did have an opportunity to observe the wound of
the wrist, what did you then see?
Dr. GREGORY. I observed the wound on the dorsal aspect of his wrist,
which was about 2 cm. in length, ragged, somewhat irregular, and lay about an
inch
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a half or 2 inches above the wrist joint. It was a little to the radial side of
the wrist area.
There was a second wound in the wrist on the volar surface, about a
centimeter and a half proximal to the distal flexion crease and this wound was a
transverse laceration no more than a centimeter in length and did not gape.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say on the dorsal aspect, what is that?
Dr. GREGORY. In lay terms, that's equivalent to the back of the hand.
Mr. SPECTER. And the volar is equivalent to what?
Dr. GREGORY. The palm surface of the hand.
Mr. SPECTER. What conclusion, if any, did you reach as to which was the
wound of entry and exit on the wrist ?
Dr. GREGORY. Based on certain findings in the wound at the time the
debridement was carried out--
Mr. SPECTER. Will you define debridement before you proceed with that?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes; debridement is a surgical term used to designate that
procedure in attending a wound which removes by sharp excision all nonvital
tissue in the area together with any identifiable foreign objects.
In attending this wound, it was evident early that clot had been carried
into the wound from the dorsal surface to the bone and into the fracture.
This would imply that an irregular missile had passed through the wrist
from the dorsal to the volar aspect.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, were there any characteristics in the volar aspect
which would indicate that it was a wound of exit?
Dr. GREGORY. No; there were none, really.
It was my assumption that the missile had expended much of its remaining
energy in passing through the radius bone, which it did before it could emerge
through the soft tissues.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any foreign objects identifiable as bits of
fragments or portions of a bullet missile?
Dr. GREGORY. A preliminary X-ray had indicated that there were metallic
fragments or at least metallic fragments which cast metallic shadows in the soft
tissues around the wounded forearm. Two or three of these were identified and
were recovered and were observed to be metallic in consistency. These were
turned over to appropriate authorities for further disposition.
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how large were those fragments, Dr. Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY. I would judge that they were first--fiat, rather thin, and
that their greatest dimension would probably not exceed one-eighth of an inch.
They were very small.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you have sufficient experience with gunshot wounds to
comment as to whether a 6.5-mm. bullet could have passed through the Governor's
wrist in the way you have described, leaving the fragments which you have
described and still have virtually all the bullet missile intact, or having 158
grains of a bullet at that time?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, I am not an expert on ballistics, but one cannot
escape certain ballistic implications in this business.
I would say, first of all, that how much of the missile remains intact as
a mass depends to some extent on how hard the metal is. Obviously, if it is very
soft, as lead, it may lose more fragments and therefore more weight and volume
than it might if it is made of a harder material or is jacketed in some way.
Now, the energy in the missile is a product, not so much of its mass as
it is of its velocity, for by doubling the velocity, you can increase the
kinetic energy in the force it transmits, fourfold, since the formula for
determining energy in these cases is a matter of mass times velocity squared,
rather than just linear functional velocity.
So, some knowledge of how much of the cartridge force might have been
behind the missile would be useful here too.
Mr. SPECTER. For the purpose of this consideration, I am interested to
know whether the metal which you found in the wrist was of sufficient size so
that the bullet which passed through the wrist could not have emerged virtually
completely intact or with 158 grains intact, or whether the portions of the
metallic fragments were so small that that would be consistent with having
Virtually the entire 6.5-mm. bullet emerge.
Dr. GREGORY. Well, considering the small volume of metal as seen by
X-ray, and the very small dimensions of the metal which was recovered, I think
several
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such
fragments could have been flaked off of a total missile mass without reducing
its volume greatly.
Now, just how much, depends of course upon what the original missile
weighed. In other words, on the
basis of the metal left behind in Governor Connally's body, as far as I could
tell, the missile that struck it could be virtually intact, insofar as mass was
concerned, but probably was distorted.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you have any idea at all as to what the fragments
which you observed in the Governor's wrist might weigh, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY. No, not really, but it would have been very small---very
small. Mr. SPECTER. What treatment or action did you take with respect to
treating the Governor's wrist for him, Dr. Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY. Upon completing the debridement, we were then faced with a
decision as to whether we should suture his wound in the conventional manner or
not, and we chose not to, leaving the wound open in deference to potential
infection that might be produced by retained fragments of clothing.
Having decided upon that course of action, the fractured radius bone was
then manipulated into a reduced position and the entire limb was encased in a
plaster-paris cast.
Mr. SPECTER. Did that complete your operative procedure?
Dr. GREGORY. That completed my operative procedure for that day for
Governor Connally--yes.
Mr. SPECTER. What other wounds, if any, did you notice on the Governor at
that time?
Dr. GREGORY. In addition to the chest wound and the wound just described
in his right forearm there was a wound in the medical aspect of his left thigh.
This was almost round and did not seem to have disturbed the tissues badly, but
did definitely penetrate and pass through the skin and to the fascia beneath. I
could not tell from the superficial inspection whether it had passed through the
fascia. An X-ray was made of his thigh at that time and there was not present in
his thigh any missile of sufficient magnitude, in my opinion, to have produced
the wound observed on his medial aspect. Repeat X-rays failed to reveal any such
missile and an additional examination failed to reveal any wound of exit.
Mr. SPECTER. What did the X-rays reveal with respect to the presence of a
missile?
Dr. GREGORY. In the thigh there was a very small shadow, perhaps 1 mm. by
2 mm. in dimension, lying close to the medial aspect of the femur, that is, the
thigh bone, but was in my opinion much too small to have accounted for the
dimensions of the wound on the medial aspect of his thigh or a wound of that
character.
Mr. SPECTER. What were the dimensions of the wound on the medial aspect
of his thigh.
Dr. GREGORY. I would say that that wound was about a centimeter in
diameter, much larger than the identifiable fragment of metal in the thigh.
I might add that this prompted some speculation on our part, my part,
which was voiced to someone that some search ought to be made in the Governor's
clothing or perhaps in the auto or some place, wherever he may have been, for
the missile which had produced this much damage but which was not resident in
him.
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately what type of a missile would it have taken to
produce a wound which you have described on his thigh ?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, it would take a fragment of metal of approximately the
same diameter--a centimeter, and in general---round.
Mr. SPECTER. Would that correspond with the measurement of a 6.5-mm.
missile ?
Dr. GREGORY. I will have to guess--I don't know what dimension-of a
6.5-mm.--yes, a 6.5-mm. would be .65 cm., approximately, yes, that could have
very well have occurred from such a missile, yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, I now show you two typewritten pages which are
a portion of a document identified as Commission Exhibit No. 392, which in its
total aspect constitutes all of the medical records from Parkland Hospital on
President Kennedy and Governor Connally and the two pages to which I direct your
attention relate an operation on Governor Connally, where you are
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as the surgeon, and I ask you if you will take a minute and look those over and
tell us whether or not that is your report on the operation which you have just
been describing.
Dr. GREGORY. (Examining instrument referred to.)
Yes, this appears to be the essence of the report which I dictated at the
conclusion of my operation on Governor Connally.
Mr. SPECTER. And are the facts contained in this report the same as those
to which you have testified here today?
Dr. GREGORY. I think they are---I hope so.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, will you describe in a general way what treatment you
have given Governor Connally following the time when you completed this report
on November 22, 1963?
Dr. GREGORY. The Governor remained in
The Governor was then permitted up and about with his arm in a sling, and
shortly thereafter returned to the Governor's Mansion in
I saw the Governor again about 1 month after his discharge, in the office
of Dr. Robert A. Dennison in Austin, Tex., and another examination this time,
including an X-ray, was made, and again the condition of his right forearm and
of the fractured bone were considered to be satisfactory.
Now, I've got to think of the next date--off of the record or on as you
wish---
Mr. SPECTER. All right, we will go off of the record, Doctor, while you
are thinking that through.
Dr. GREGORY. All right,
(Discussion between Counsel Specter and the Witness Gregory off the
record.)
Mr. SPECTER. All right, Dr. Gregory.
Dr. GREGORY. I'll say on or about February 14, the Governor came to
At the present time the Governor is on a regiment of exercises, and he
wears a demountable splint, whenever it looks as though the electorate may be
over enthusiastic by shaking his hand.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you anticipate any future cast for Governor Connally?
Dr. GREGORY. I anticipate probably an uneventful, though slow, recovery
of normal function in his right arm and wrist and hand.
I think he will have some permanent impairment, but I think he will have
a very minimal amount of disability, and I do not at this time anticipate any
need for any further surgical intervention.
That will have to become manifest by the appearance of some other as yet
unanticipated symptom.
I would like to add that on each of the examination interviews here in
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, I now show you a series of diagrams which are a
part of reports bearing Commission No. 326 and may the record show these differ
from Commission Exhibit numbers, reflecting the number assigned to reports.
I am going to ask the Court Reporter to make this particular copy as Dr.
Gregory's Exhibit No. 1.
(Instrument marked by the Reporter as Dr. Gregory's Exhibit No. 1, for
identification.)
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Mr. SPECTER. I am going to ask you, pointing first to Diagram No. 1,
whether or not this accurately depicts the wounds of Governor Connally ?
Dr. GREGORY. This one does not.
Mr. SPECTER. In what respect?
Dr. GREGORY. In the respect that the wound of entry is shown to exist on
the volar surface of the forearm, whereas, it was on the dorsal surface of the
forearm in my view---in my opinion---and the reverse holds for the wound of
exit.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you take my pen and correct those as they should be,
Doctor Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY. (Complied with request of Counsel Specter.)
Mr. SPECTER. Now, turning to Exhibit, Diagram No. 2 on this exhibit, and
calling your attention specifically to the point of entry and the point of exit
on the diagram of a man standing, does that correspond with the angle of
declination on Governor Connally's wound?
Dr. GREGORY. To the best of my knowledge, this would fairly accurately
depict that angle. If I were to have
any reservation at all, it would be with reference to the height or the position
of the wounds of entry, as being marked a little high, but this is recalling
from memory, and it may not be correct.
Mr. SPECTER. I now call your attention to Diagram No. 3 on this sequence
and ask if this accurately depicts the condition of the Governor's wounds?
Dr. GREGORY. I think that this one comes more closely into line with
their actual location, especially with reference to the wound of entry in the
posterior aspect of the chest. It is
a little lower here, as I recall it to be. Those
of the wrist, I think are accurately depicted,
and that of the thigh are believed to be accurately depicted.
Mr. SPECTER And on these wrist wounds, do they show the point of entry to
be on the dorsal aspect and the point of exit to be on the volar aspect?
Dr. GREGORY. According to the anatomical position, I believe that they
do; yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, looking at Diagram No. 4, does this again correspond
with your recollection of the angle of decline on Governor Connally?
Dr. GREGORY. Again, if I have a reservation it would be to the wound of
entry and the posterior aspect as being shown a little higher than it actually
existed.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, Dr. Gregory, I turn to Diagram No. 5, which depicts a
seated man and what does Diagram No. 5 depict to your eye with respect to what
action is described on the seated man ?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, I should say that this composite has alined the
several parts of the body demonstrated in such a way that a single missile
following a constant trajectory could have accounted for all of the wounds which
are shown.
Moreover, this is consistent with the point of entry which is depicted on
the side views showing the angle of declination.
I submit that the angle of declination in passing through the chest could
be very simply altered by having an individual lean forward a few degrees, and
similarly could be made much deeper by having him lean backward, without really
changing the basic relationship between the parts, nor in any way affecting the
likelihood that all parts could have come into this same trajectory.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you consider it possible, in your professional
opinion, for the same bullet to have inflicted all of the wounds which you have
described on Governor Connally?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes; I believe it very possible, for a number of reasons.
One of these is the apparent
loss of energy manifested at each of the various body surfaces, which I
transacted, the greatest energy being at the point of entry on the posterior
aspect of the chest and of the fifth rib, where considerable destruction was
.done and the least destruction having been done in the medial aspect of the
thigh where the bullet apparently expended itself.
Mr. SPECTER. What destruction was done on the fifth rib, Dr. Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY. It is my understanding from conversations with Dr. Shaw, and
I believe his medical reports bear this out, that the fifth rib was literally
shattered by the missile.
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We know that high velocity bullets striking bone have a strong tendency
to shatter bones and the degree to which the fifth rib was shattered was
considerably in excess of the amount of shattering which occurred in the
radius--the forearm.
Mr. SPECTER. And what conclusion, if any, did you draw as to the velocity
of the missile, as to the time it struck each of those bony portions?
Dr. GREGORY. I think that the missile was continually losing velocity
with each set of tissues which it encountered and transacted, and the amount of
damage done is progressively less from first entrance in the thorax to the last
entrance in the thigh.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you think it possible that Governor Connally was shot by
two bullets, with one hitting in the posterior part of his body and the second
one striking the back side of his wrist?
Dr. GREGORY. The possibility exists, but I would discount it for these
reasons--ordinarily, a missile in flight---I'll qualify that---a high velocity
missile in flight does not tend to carry organic material into the wound which
it creates.
I believe if you will inspect the record which was prepared by Dr. Shaw,
there is no indication that any clothing or other organic material was found in
the chest wound.
An irregular missile can carry debris into a wound and such debris was
carried into the wound of the wrist. I
would have expected that an undistorted high velocity missile striking the wrist
would not have carried material into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there any other characteristic which led and leads you
to conclude that the wrist was not the initial point of impact of a single high
velocity bullet?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes. Based on
our experience with high velocity missile wounds of the forearm produced by
rifles of the deer hunting calibre, there is tremendous soft tissue destruction
as well as bone fragmentation which not infrequently culminates in amputation of
the part.
I do not believe that the missile wound in Governor Connally's right
forearm was produced by a missile of such magnitude at the time it struck him.
It either had to be one of lower initial energy or a missile which had been
partially expended elsewhere before it struck his wrist.
Mr. SPECTER. Would that opinion apply if you assumed that the missile had
initial velocity when leaving the muzzle of the weapon of 200 feet per second?
Dr. GREGORY. That's not a very high velocity missile.
Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me---2,000 feet per second.
Dr. GREGORY. I should say that a missile at 2,000 feet per second that
strikes the forearm is likely to
blow it very nearly off, if it is a missile of any mass as well.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, assume that you have a muzzle velocity of 2,000 feet
per second and assume the mass is 6.5 mm, and assume further that the distance
between the muzzle and the wrist is approximately 160 to 250 feet away, what
would you expect, based on your experience, that the consequences would be on
that wrist?
Dr. GREGORY. I will have to say that most of the high velocity rifle
wounds that I have seen of the forearm have, in fact, been at a closer range
than that which you have stipulated, but I doubt that a range of 155 or 200 feet
would seriously reduce the energy, and I would expect a similar wound, under the
circumstances which you have described.
Mr. SPECTER. Let me add another possibility in this sequence, Dr.
Gregory, and ask you your opinion with respect to an additional intervening
victim in the path of the same bullet to this effect---assume that President
Kennedy was riding in an open automobile directly behind Governor Connally, and
that at a distance of approximately 175 feet President Kennedy was struck by a
bullet from a weapon with a muzzle velocity of 2,000 feet per second, carrying a
6.5 mm. missile and that the missile entered in the upper right of the
President's back very near the neckline and passed through his body, striking no
bony material, and emerged from the throat of the President. Is it possible that
missile could have then entered the back of the Governor and inflicted the chest
wound which you have described ?
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Dr. GREGORY. I would have to concede that that would be possible---yes.
Mr. SPECTER. What would your professional opinion be, if you can
formulate one, as to whether or not that actually did happen in this situation?
Dr. GREGORY. I really couldn't formulate an objective opinion about it.
Only, for this reason, that it would then become a question simply of
trajectories, and lining the two bodies up in such a way that this sequence of
events could have occurred. I would
hazard one guess, that is, that had the missile that struck Governor Connally
passed through President Kennedy first, that though the missile would not have
been distorted necessarily, it would very probably have
begun
to tumble. Now, if you like, I will
define that for you.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you please?
Dr. GREGORY. A tumbling is a second---it actually is a third component of
motion that a missile may go through in its trajectory.
First, there is a linear motion from muzzle to target on point of impact.
In order to keep a missile on its path, there is imparted to it a rotary
motion so that it is spinning. Now, both of these are commensurate with the
constant trajectory. A third
component, which is tumbling, and is literally the end over end motion, which
may be imparted to a missile should it strike something in flight that deflects
but does not stop it---in this circumstance the wound of entry created by such a
missile usually is quite large and the destruction it creates is increased, as a
matter of fact, by such tumbling, and I would have therefore expected to see
perhaps some organic material carried into a large wound of entry in Governor
Connally's back.
These are only theoretical observations, but these are some of the
reasons why I would believe that the missile in the Governor behaved as though
it had never struck anything except him.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe the nature of the wound in the Governor's
back?
Dr. GREGORY. Only so far as I saw it as Dr. Shaw was preparing to operate
on it, but I was unable to see the nature of the wound as he carried out his
operation. I did, however,
specifically question him about this matter of containing foreign material,
clothing, etc.
Mr. SPECTER. What did he say about that?
Dr. GREGORY. Well, as I recall it, he said none was found, and I would
not have expected any to be found as I explained to you, if this was the initial
impact of that missile.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, wouldn't you think it possible, bearing in mind that
my last question only went as to whether the same bullet could have gone through
President Kennedy and inflicted the wound on Governor Connally's chest, would
you think it possible that the same missile could have gone through President
Kennedy in the way I described and have inflicted all three of the wounds, that
is, the entry and exit on the chest, the entry and exit on the wrist, and the
entry into the thigh which you described.
Dr. GREGORY. I suspect it's possible, but I would say it would have to be
a remarkably powerful missile to have done so.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Gregory, have you been interviewed about this matter
prior to today by any representative of the Federal Government?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes; on two or three occasions I have talked to a properly
identified member of the Secret Service, Mr. Warren, I believe it was.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was the nature of the information which you gave to
Mr. Warren on those occasions?
Dr. GREGORY. Essentially the same thing as I have told you here, but in
much less detail.
Mr. SPECTER. And have you ever talked to anyone besides Mr. Warren and me
about these matters, from the Federal Government?
Dr. GREGORY. No; not that I know of. I was on a day or so after the
assassination spoken to in these offices by a member of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, but it was a very brief interview.
Mr. SPECTER. What was that about?
Dr. GREGORY. And I think it was the question of whether or not I had been
able to recover any metal from Governor Connally which they might use for
ballistic analysis.
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I regret to say I don't know the gentleman's name, but he too was
properly identified.
Mr. SPECTER. And prior to the time when the Court Reporter started to
transcribe the deposition which you have been kind enough to provide us with,
had you and I been talking about the same subjects which you have answered
questions
on all during the course of this deposition?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And during the time that you first were interviewed by the
Secret Service down through the present moment, have you had the same general
opinion concerning the matters which you have testified about here today ?
Dr. GREGORY. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add which you think would be helpful
in any way to the work of the Commission?
Dr. GREGORY. No; not really. This
is the only articulation I have had with this whole episode concerning Governor
Connally's wound and his subsequent recovery and none other.
Mr. SPECTER Thank you very much, Dr. Gregory, for coming.
Dr. GREGORY. Very well.
Dr.
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