The Rifle-Ammo

FIRST the Rifle;

The Warren Report tells us that the rifle used to kill JFK found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was a WW II Italian surplus                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      weapon of 6.5 mm.

Oswald allegedly ordered the rifle through a magazine add in Page 65 of  the February 1963 issue of "American Rifleman".                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     (see my copy below)

Page 65 below

Blow up of add below

Notice that Oswald ordered a 36' rifle with a scope.

Notice he did NOT order any ammo or clip.

See page 81 0f the WCR below (GPO Edition) Description of Rifle

HOW did Oswald order a 36" rifle & receive a 42" rifle?

Klein's also advertised a "40 inch Rifle>>>


WHY doesn't the rifle found in the TSBD (CE 139) resemble the rifle in the back yard photos? (CE 133-a)       

Two different Rifles.

Notice "Oblong Sling Mounts" above.

Here are Blow-Ups of CE 133-a   below

Notice "Round Sling Mounts" below.

More info on the rifle....



Comparison Day ONE. (Below)

The above website stipulates that model 91/38 has "Side Sling mounts ONLY.  (item #2)

Walt claims that it has "Dual sling mounts".

Which indicates that both rifles are the same rifle.


See someone the same height as Oswald carrying the Same model rifle in the same manner as Oswald>>>

Nothing seems to work for the WC's claims.



HOW did the Police show the back yard photo to Oswald "HOURS" before it was Found????

Here is when it was found....  

Here is when it was shown to Oswald. (WCR-607)                                                                           




                                                         FINDING THE RIFLE…


 The Warren Report tell us on page 645:


 Speculation:-The rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          identified as a 7.65 Mauser by the man who found it, Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman.

 Commission finding:-Weitzman, the original source of the speculation that  the rifle was a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Mauser, and Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone found the weapon. Weitzman did not handle the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       rifle and did not examine it at close range. He had little more than a glimpse thought it was                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         a Mauser, a German bolt-type rifle similar in appearance to the Manlicher-Carcano.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Police laboratory technicians subsequently arrived and correctly identified the weapon as                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            a 6.5 Italian rifle.


 Pretty simple in and of itself. But as I Told you earlier the WR consists of 888 pages of "conclusions"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       based on 26 Volumes of Testimony and Exhibits. And they were very selective in what they                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          based their conclusions on. As stated above: Wietzman simply made a mistake. 


 Volume XXIV Pg. 228 contains Wietzman's actual written statement dated 11/23/63.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               (This is what he reported.)

  "Yesterday November 22, 1963 I was standing on the corner of Main and Houston, and as the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 President passed and made his turn going west towards Stemmens, I walked casually around.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     At this time my partner was behind me and asked me something. I looked back at him and heard                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3 shots. I ran in a northwest direction and scaled a fence towards where we thought the shots                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                came from. Then someone said they thought the shots came from the old Texas Building .                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I immediately ran to the old Texas Building and started looking inside. At this time Captain Fritz                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       arrived and ordered all of the sixth floor sealed off and searched. I was working with Deputy S.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Boone of the Sheriff's Department and helping in the search. We were in the northwest corner                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   of the sixth floor when Deputy Boone and myself spotted the rifle about the same time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                THE RIFLE WAS A 7.65 MAUSER BOLT ACTION EQUIPED WITH A 4/18 SCOPE, A THICK LEATHER                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             BROWNISH-BLACK SLING ON IT. The rifle was between some boxes near the  stairway.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       The time the rifle was found was 1:22 pm. Captain Fritz took charge of the rifle and ejected                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         one live round from the chamber. I then went back to the office after this.

                                     Seymour Weitzman

  (EMPHASIS ADDED)                     (Signature)  



 1. THIS STATEMENT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE COMMISSION'S CLAIM THAT WEITZMAN ONLY HAD A                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "GLIMPSE" OF THE WEAPON. (Does that description sound like nothing more than just a "GLIMPSE"?

 2. THE COMMISSION DIDN'T GIVE WEITZMAN THE CREDIT DUE HIM WHEN IT NEGLECTED TO QUOTE                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HIS TESTIMONY IN VOLUME VII PG. 108 STATING THAT HE WAS FAIRLY FAMILAR WITH RIFLES                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BECAUSE HE OWNED A SPORTING GOODS BUSINESS FOR A WHILE.

  3. THE COMMISSION SKILLFULLY FAILED TO MENTION CORROBURATION FOR WEITZMAN'S                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     OBSERVATION IN THE FORM OF DEPUTY SHERIFF BOONE'S AFFIDAVIT (Decker Exhibit 5323 Volume                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               XIX pgs. 508-9) " What  appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a teloscopic site.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The rifle had what appeared to be a brownish, black stock and blue steel, metal parts."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 (Does that sound like the rifle they reportedly  found?)

4. FOR MORE CORROBURATION BOONE HAS A SHORTER REPORT ON PG. 507 OF THE SAME VOLUME.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BUT STILL DESCRIBING A "7.65 MAUSER WITH ATELESCOPIC SITE."

5. THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE RIFLE FOUND ON THE SIXTH FLOOR AS A 7.65 MAUSER "BY CAPTAIN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         FRITZ" IS FURTHER EVIDENCED IN THE TESTIMONY OF DEPUTY BOONE IN VOLUME III Pg. 295.

         BALL: There is one question. Did you hear anybody refer to  this rifle as a Mauser that  day?

        BOONE: Yes, I did. And at first, not knowing what it was, I thought it was a 7.65 Mauser.

       BALL: Who refered to it as a Mauser that day?

       BOONE: I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          not knowing what it  was, he said that is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             his name is, the ID man was getting  ready to photograph it. We were just discussing it back and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and forth. And he  said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.

      BALL: Thank you.

      THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much Sheriff. You have been very  helpful.


  OMMITTING THESE FACTS MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO DISMISS THE  REPORT OF WEITZMAN AS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JUST A MISTAKE!


 While we're on the subject of omissions, take a look at CE #2143 on pg. 754 of  Volume XXIV                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's a press conference with Dallas Police Cheif Jesse Curry on Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963.

   "Q. What is the name of the rifle that was found in the sixth floor of the Depository Building?"

   "Curry. That was__" (That's where CE #2143 ENDS)


 On Pg. 761, Curry states that the Dallas Police got a "TIP" that Oswald purchased the rifle                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      through a mail-order house under the name of A. Hidell. (Who was the Tipster?)


 On pg. 766 Curry states that there were three (3) witnesses to the murder of officer Tippitt.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (The WC tells us of Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides. Neither of which could pick                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oswald out of a Police line_up) Who was the third witness that the WC totally ignored?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Was it Aquilla Clemmons who stated that TWO (2) men killed Tippitt.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         One of whom resembled Jack Ruby! (see Rush To Judgement by Mark Lane )


 The Warren Report tells us that Oswald's palm print was found on one of the book cartons  used for the sniper's nest.

 I don't find that at all amazing considering that Oswald worked in that area all morning. ..      


Wha I DO find amazing is that they also found TWENTY-FIVE (25) "other" prints. Only                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              twenty-four of which they could match with TSBD employees, Dallas P.D. and FBI.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SHOWING NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER OVER WHO THE 25th PRINT BELONGED TO!  (WR pg.249)










Page 646 of the WCR states the ammo is "Currently Manufactured".

Below is the Truth.


As stated above, if the ammo on the Commercial was Unreliable.                        

Where did Oswald get Reliable Ammo?

Here is a Possible answer.  (above)

Below;   Different Bullets?

WHAT IN HECK WAS Western Cartridge doing making Ammo FOR Italy DURING WW II???


This used to be a Crime called "Trading with the Enemy".

Hoover was looking for a SECOND Rifle>>>


Below Ruth Paine makes note of rifle purchase by Oswald.




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