Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's Final
Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of
JFK (Volume 4) (Paperback)
~ Douglas P. Horne (Author)
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VOLUME 4 of 5: Douglas Horne served on the staff of the President John F.
Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) during the final three years
of its four-year lifespan, from 1995 to 1998, and is the first U.S. government
official involved with the medical evidence to allege a coverup in President
Kennedy's autopsy, and in the creation of the autopsy photographs and x-rays.
This book, the product of over 13 years of writing and research, provides the
best explanation yet offered of the true nature of the medical coverup in the
assassination of John F. Kennedy, and does so in meticulous detail, with
scrupulous use of primary source material. It incorporates the latest
information-much of it new evidence not revealed elsewhere-gleaned from the
ARRB's depositions and interviews of medical witnesses, conducted from 1996 to
1998. With precise accuracy, and with a relentless focus on the massive fraud
uncovered in the official records of the 35th President's assassination, Horne
presents a persuasive case that the assassination of JFK was an "inside
job," a true coup d'etat in America, that was ruthlessly and brazenly
covered up by those who 'broke the back of the American century' in Dallas on
November 22, 1963.
About the Author
Douglas Horne served on the staff of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination
Records Review Board (ARRB) during the final three years of its four-year
lifespan, from 1995 to 1998, and is the first
U.S.
government official involved with the medical evidence to allege a coverup in
President Kennedy's autopsy.
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Paperback: 402 pages
Publisher: Douglas P. Horne (November 24, 2009)
Language: English
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Doug Horne’s Inside the Assassination Records Review Board (IARRB) is the most
important book to be published on the assassination of President Kennedy in
decades, not only because it changes the way we look at that murder, but in
showing how the remaining issues can be resolved by determining the truth.
All the debates end here, and the arguments are replaced with questions that
were posed but not answered when the Assassination Records Review Board was
alive and ostensibly overseeing the declassification and release of the
government's JFK assassination records. Many of the questions weren't even asked
because the ARRB failed to fully use its power to subpoena witnesses and take
the sworn testimony of witness.
As Horne, the chief analyst for military records explains, "While the
Review Board had the power to subpoena witnesses and grant immunity, the
subpoena power was used sparingly (with a limited number of medical and CIA
witnesses), and the immunity power was never exercised. The reason: none of the
Board Members were convinced there was any conspiracy or coverup, and therefore
were only interested in clarifying the record in a few areas. At least the staff
of the ARRB was permitted to conduct unsworn witness interviews without seeking
permission from the Board Members. Sadly, senior staff members often elected not
to even tape record witness interviews, which make the staff's written interview
reports incredibly important as historical tools."
To its credit, the ARRB did manage to release millions of pages of documents,
identified important records that are missing and others that have been
destroyed, and they’ve called attention to those records that they deemed
necessary to withhold until 2017, when the last classified secret JFK
assassination record is scheduled to be released.
Now however, over a decade after the ARRB shut down, and years before the last
record is released, we have a real good idea of what happened in Dallas, and in
DC in the aftermath of the President’s murder. And with Doug Horne’s
extremely detailed analysis of the military records, his conclusions are hard to
avoid.
Supporting the general consensus that there was a conspiracy behind what
happened at Dealey Plaza, Horne takes it a step further, and calls it straight
and unambiguous – it was a coup d’etat, with those responsible for the
murder taking over the government and changing policy. And lying all the way,
but hey, after multiple homicides, the lying part is easy.
Building on the recent evaluations of the assassination that are in line with
the Cold War history, crediting David Talbot’s “Brothers,” Jeff Morley’s
“Our Man In Mexico” and Jim Douglas’ “JFK & the Unspeakable,”
Horne surrounds JFK's story with the proper social frame work, and details how
the evidence of a Dealey Plaza coup fits like a glove with the overall
historical record.
Not only concluding there was a conspiracy, through his own personal journey,
Horne takes the reader on a tour of the intestines of the coup and cover-up,
from Dealey Plaza and Parkland Hospital, aboard AF1, from Andrews to Bethesda,
and a few back alleys we haven't been down before. Along the way he consistently
refers to important records and corresponding eye witness accounts, pointing out
the contradictions and discrepancies, and sometimes resolving them. Thank God
for small victories, and belittling the idea that "We'll never know."
Now we can know.
While matching the volume of the work of his nemesis Vincent Bugliosi (at 2,000
plus pages), Horne’s IARRB basically dismisses Bugliosi’s only suspect,
mentioning Lee Harvey Oswald only a few times throughout the five volumes, and
each time only referring to him as the patsy who was framed for the crime.
Rather than follow Ozzie the rabbit, Horne sticks close to the body, what one of
his mentors, David Lifton refers to as the "best evidence."
A non-fictional forensic documentary "CSI Dealey Plaza," based on
Horne’s book, will certainly make a most definitive and fascinating rebuttal
to Bugliosi’s upcoming and lame "Distorting History" HBO series with
Tom Hanks, but who will have the courage to make "Inside JFK's Forensic
Autopsy and Coup?" It isn't pretty, and its hard to say which is more ugly
- the gore of the brain and guts or the betrayal of the Constitution by those
behind the coup.
Although Horne’s doesn’t know who shot John F. Kennedy in the back and in
the head, he’s quite confident that the shot that killed the President entered
the right front temple and blew out the back of his skull. This shot blew apart
half the brain and created the Harper fragment and the wounds described by the
Dallas doctors before the head wound was surgically altered, removing bullet
fragments and enlarging the entrance would to appear as an exit, before the
official autopsy began.
It must have been earlier in the day, after Oswald was captured but before Air
Force One landed at Andrews, when it was strategically decided not to follow the
original Castro Commie cover-story, and go with the lone-nut scenario, a
specific decision that precluded an assassin from the front and required the
altering of wounds at Bethesda and all other evidence of a second gunman,
including the Z-film.
It is from this attempt to disavow the existence of a shooter from the front,
that the other lies had to be created, including the Lone-Nut lie to replace the
Cuban Commie Rat cover-story that was supposed to have led to an invasion of
Cuba, and the Z-film alteration that failed to uphold the first lie.
Horne nicely weaves the details of the crime and the cover-up with the overall
historical situation, as well as his personal quest for the truth, one that most
people can identify with, and follow, and reluctantly, but eventually coming to
agree with his acute and well reasoned analysis, and in the end, his terrifying
conclusions.
Volume IV, the first book to be released, contains two chapters - 13, "What
Really Happened at the Bethesda Morgue (And in Dealey Plaza?)" and the
nearly 200 page Chapter 14, "The Zapruder Film Mystery," which is
probably the most controversial, but also contains the convincer.
Besides offering documentary proof and corresponding witness testimony to
support this scenario, Horne also demonstrates conclusively that the Zapruder
film was tampered with, constituting clear obstruction of justice for tampering
with evidence. Unlike previous attempts to brand the Z-film a fake by
unexplained anomalies, Horne takes a different approach, and utilizing the
recollections of honorable and reputable CIA officials whose reputations cannot
be impeached, he demonstrates how the chain of possession was lost and the film
altered. While he doesn't know exactly who did it, Horne tells you when and
where it was done (KODAK’s Hawkeye Works, Rochester, New York) and how and why
they did it.
Because the chain-of-evidence is broken and the provenance of the body and the
Zapruder film are no longer certain, as Douglas Horne so conclusively
demonstrates, a new legal mandate kicks in, and the rules of the game change.
Just as Oliver Stone’s “JFK” forced Congress to pass the JFK Act, Doug
Horne’s book "Inside the Assassination Records Review Board" should
embarrass Congress into holding JFK Act Oversight Hearings, force the convening
of a Special Federal Grand Jury to investigate crimes related to the
assassination, and require a new and proper forensic autopsy of the victim and
our national security.
No fewer words could accomplish as much.
[ William E. Kelly, Jr. is co-founder of the Committee for an Open Archvies (COA)
and COPA – the Coalition on Political Assassinations. He can be reached at
bkjfk3@yahoo.com or at http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/ ]
"Opening a new window through which the truth might emerge." - Dick
Russell
From: On the Trail of the Assassins - A Revealing Look at America’s Most
Infamous Unsolved Crime – by Dick Russell (Skyhoruse Publishing, 2008),
Chapter 41, (p. 363-389).
“Contained within our deposition transcripts and interview reports is
unequivocal evidence that there was a
U.S.
government cover-up of the medical evidence in the Kennedy assassination.”
– Douglas P. Horne
Former Chief Analyst for Military Records,
Assassination Records Review Board.
In my many years on the assassination trail, I had never been especially
interested in the questions raised by a number of researchers about the physical
evidence indicating that someone other than Oswald must have been involved.
I’d perused books like David Lifton’s Best Evidence, but always found the
subject a bit too esoteric (and perhaps a little too grisly) for my taste.
My attitude changed, in the course of preparing this book, when it was suggested
that I speak with Douglas Horne. He had been an integral part of the third, and
last, government body to take witness testimony about the assassination.
Established by President Clinton in the wake of Oliver Stone’s controversial
movie, JFK, the Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB) was chartered to
locate and declassify records still being kept secret by the CIA, FBI, and other
government agencies, and to make them publicly available in a new “JFK Records
Collection” in the National Archives. Although Congress did not want the ARRB
to reinvestigate or even draw conclusions about the assassination, the staff did
take depositions under oath from certain key individuals.
Analysis of the sworn testimony before the ARRB of ten people involved in the
autopsy, and others interviewed previously by the HSCA, have led Horne to the
inescapable conclusion that a high-level government cover-up was in place from
the very afternoon of the president’s death. We spoke for more than two hours,
in an interview tape-recorded with his permission over the phone. Horne’s
revelations proved so stunning that I came to believe they should end this book
– hopefully opening a new window through which the truth might finally emerge.
DICK RUSSELL: HOW DID YOU END UP GETTING ON THE REVIEW BOARD STAFF?
DOUG HORNE: I’d been with the Navy for twenty years, first as a surface
warfare officer on active duty with the Pacific Fleet for ten years – those
are the professionals who drive and manage our Navy’s surface ships – and
after that served the Navy for ten more years in a civil service capacity in
Hawaii.
I happened to be in
Washington
,
D.C.
, on Navy business in ’94 when COPA [Coalition on Political Assassinations]
was hosting a JFK assassination research symposium. One of the speakers there
was Jack Tunheim, who was the head o the five-member Review Board that had been
confirmed by the Senate and was about to begin its business. At the end of his
talk, he was asked, “Are you hiring staff?” and he said, “Yes, we’ve
just started, it’ll take quite awhile an we’ll have to get them
clearances.”
(I should point out here that the Board appointed by President Clinton consisted
of five VIPs who set matters of broad policy, but worked part-time and only
convened about 3 days every month. The staff of 25-28 people hired to support
the Board did the lion’s share of the work.).
The very next day, I submitted a letter to the staff’s executive director,
David Marwell, saying I’d like to apply for a job. Getting that job turned out
to be a very time-consuming process. Most of the people hired were living in the
local area and were able to do in-person interviews, so living in
Hawaii
, I was at a distinct disadvantage. After undergoing a gauntlet of six telephone
interviews, I finally received a job offer in March 1995, and started in August.
I had to move at my own expense – this was a real test of my motivations –
and I took a massive pay cut. I was able to swing it, but just barely. I
basically beat the door down through perseverance, and felt the sacrifices were
worthwhile because I had always been captivated by the mystery presented by the
JFK assassination, and greatly admired Jack Kennedy’s presidency.
There were four groups of analysts that comprised the majority of the Review
Board staff – teams that examined and worked to declassify military records,
CIA records, FBI records, and finally, records of the Secret Service and all the
remaining agencies. I was hired as a senior analyst on the military records
team. About a year-and-a-half later, after my boss quit, they kicked me upstairs
to take his job as chief analyst, or team leader for the military records team.
D.R.: HOW DID YOU THEN GET INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE MEDICAL RECORDS SIDE OF THINGS?
DOUG HORNE: The short answer is because the autopsy was performed by the Navy,
and the autopsy report was therefore a ‘military record’ that came under the
purview of my records team.
But that’s not the real answer. During the interview process, I learned that
Jeremy Gunn – at the time the staff’s head of research and analysis (and
destined to become its general counsel) – shared a common interest: a
fascination with all the medical evidence, and specifically the conflicts within
the medical evidence that seemed un-resolvable. Then, not long after I came
onboard, the Board granted permission to take the first two medical depositions:
sworn interviews of James J. Humes and “J” Thornton Boswell, the two Navy
pathologists who conducted the autopsy at Bethesda Naval hospital. I became the
research assistant to Jeremy Gunn, and helped him prepare questions for all ten
medical evidence depositions related to the autopsy. I also prepared all the
exhibits and assisted Jeremy with them during the questioning of each witness.
DR: WHEN DID THE LIGHT FIRST GO ON THAT SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT WITH WHAT THESE
DOCTORS WERE TELLING YOU?
DOUG HORNE: It’s long been known that Dr. Humes, who was the chief pathologist
at the autopsy, prepared a typed statement two days after the assassination
saying that he’d burned his preliminary autopsy notes. He had repeated this
several times in the years since, each time claiming he’s thrown the notes
into his fireplace because they had on them the blood of the president, which he
deemed unseemly. Jeremy had reason to suspect that an early draft of the autopsy
report had also been destroyed, based upon an analysis of inconsistencies
between Dr. Humes’ previous testimony about when he wrote the draft, and
existing records documenting its transmission to higher authority. Humes had
never admitted this before but, under persistent questioning by Jeremy in
February 1996, he finally did so.
Jeremy and I were left with the conclusion at the end of the Humes deposition
that he was a great liar. The question was, what was he lying about? There were
so many times when he would try to deflect our questions with either arrogance
or bluff, and other times he would try to play dumb, saying, “I’m an old man
and I can’t remember.” We didn’t find that convincing.
The second pathologist deposed was Dr. Boswell. After that, there was no doubt
about a major medical cover-up. (Boswell was much more forthcoming than Humes,
and inadvertently, I think, “gave the store away” on a number of occasions.)
It was my idea to use an anatomically correct model of the human skull, which I
was allowed to purchase and construct myself, in an attempt to get Boswell to
visually identify the true extent of the damage to President Kennedy’s skull.
(There shouldn’t have been any doubt this 33 years after the autopsy, but
unfortunately much eyewitness testimony disagreed with the autopsy photographs
and x-rays, and many of the autopsy photos seemed intended to conceal, rather
than to reveal the true nature of the head wounds.)
When Boswell had executed a famous two-dimensional sketch of the damage to the
skull on the reverse side of the autopsy body chart on November 22, 1963, he’d
indicated that a large area of bone was missing from the top of the
president’s skull, but his diagram left unanswered whether any bone was
missing from the back of the head. While he was still under oath, we asked
Boswell to define where there was bone missing, in three dimensions, on the
skull model with a marking pen. We wanted to know how much skull bone might have
been missing in the back of the head, if any. Of course, we didn’t tell him
that.
And when he soberly, but matter-of-factly marked the area of missing bone on the
skull model, it included the entire right rear of the skull behind the ear.
Jeremy and I almost fell out of our chairs. Now the autopsy photographs, which
show the back of the head to be intact, made no sense whatsoever. Boswell’s
annotated skull model implied that three must have been a shot that struck
Kennedy from the front, a bullet that exited from the back of his skull. (Exit
wounds are large and avulsive; entrance wounds are small and penetrating.)
So following these first two depositions, Jeremy and I knew that the medical
evidence was suddenly of tremendous interest. We then pursued the third
pathologist involved in the autopsy, Army pathologist Pierre Finck. Dr. Finck
used forgetfulness as his defense, which was not convincing, because in a social
context, he relayed to us vivid memories of what he was doing in 1938 and the
early 1950s – but when it came to the Kennedy assassination, he couldn’t
remember anything. Even when we showed him a document that he had signed or
written and say, “Do you remember this?” he’s respond, “I don’t
know.” We’d say, “Well, is this your signature?” And he’d respond,
“Well, it looks like my signature.” He was really slippery. But on a couple
of answers, Finck provided useful information.
DR: WHAT DID YOU ULTIMATELY CONCLUDE THESE THREE DOCTORS WERE UP TO?
DOUG HORNE: I am now convinced – and this insight didn’t really come to me
until 2006, when I did much of the writing on the manuscript I’m putting
together about all this – that Humes and Boswell, who were there at the morgue
with the president’s body well before the autopsy started and prior to Dr.
Finck’s arrival, were involved in a covert deception operation from the very
beginning. I believe they were told, for national security reasons, to destroy
or suppress any evidence that the president was shot from the front and to
record only evidence that he was shot form the rear – even if they had to
manufacture some of it.
I don’t think Finck was initially a part of the deception; the great irony is
that even though he was a board-certified forensic pathologist, I believe he was
a victim of the Humes-Boswell covert operation. At some point, after the fact, I
believe Finck suspected this, but felt he was in so deep by this time, and
realized he was so compromised, that he decided not to blow the whistle
officially; instead he left a few clues in the record over the years for
“CYA” purposes.
He was certainly timid and scared when we took his deposition; this was
surprising at the time, since the 1992 interview published in the Journal of the
American Medical Association (JAMA) portrayed him as a “lion,” and a person
with a good memory and great certitude about the autopsy’s events and
conclusions. The main point I am trying to make here is that Humes and Boswell
had possession of the president’s body much earlier in the evening than the
official record indicates, and undertook activities to alter the evidentiary
record that they did not reveal to Finck.
DR: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER?
DOUG HORNE: Let me jump ahead to someone we interviewed later. We were led by a
researcher, Kathleen Cunningham, to an ex-Marine who was the sergeant in charge
of the security detail at the morgue. Kathleen made clear to us that he was not
someone who’d been part of the honor guard, with the white gloves and dress
uniforms, whom we read about in William Manchester’s book Death of a
President. The group this person supervised was not the joint service casket
team, but was a physical security detail from the Marine Barracks in
Washington
D.C.
, dressed in Marine Corps working uniforms, and carrying weapons.
We had an ‘ace’ investigator on our staff, Dave Montague, who specialized in
locating people, and he and I interviewed this person. The sergeant’s name was
Roger Boyajian, pronounced ‘Boy-gen.’ He had retained an original onion-skin
carbon copy of the after-action report that he wrote on November 26, 1963, the
day after JFK’s funeral, and had shared its contents with Ms. Cunningham. A
document like this one that is contemporaneous is priceless, because it’s not
distorted by fading memories, by time – or by anyone’s subsequent theories
about the assassination.
So I interviewed Boyajian on the phone, and he then mailed me a photocopy of
that document, and authenticated it with a letter written above his signature.
He’d gotten to
Bethesda
really early, before the president’s body arrived. One of the entries in his
report reads: “1835 – President’s Casket Arrives.” That means 6:35 PM,
and indicates that he took notes; every military man in those days had what’s
called a “wheel book,” a little green
U.S.
government memoranda notebook that fits into your back pocket. The thing is,
that’s a mind-blowing entry, because it is a well-documented fact that the
light-gray Navy ambulance, with the president’s bronze casket from Dallas
inside, didn’t arrive at Bethesda until approximately five minutes before
seven, and it sat outside in front of the main building, for about 12 minutes or
so before being driven around to the back of the morgue. HSCA interviews of FBI
agents James Sibert and Francis O’Neill revealed that these two men, assisted
only by two Secret Service agents, helped carry in this heavy bronze casket
(using a dolly), without the assistance of the joint service casket team (which
was not present when this happened); and a 1964 FBI report provides a time
marker for this event of about 7:17 PM. Yet here was Sergeant Boyajian, four
days after the assassination, placing the arrival time of the president’s body
almost forty-five minutes earlier.
Now, back in 1979, Dennis David – a Navy petty officer who was standing duty
that night at Bethesda National Naval Medical Center as “Chief of the Day”
for the medical school – had told author David Lifton that he’d gathered up
a group of sailors at the request of the Secret Service, gone to the back of the
hospital to the morgue loading dock, and carried in a cheap, lightweight,
unadorned gray (or dull silver-colored) aluminum shipping casket from a black
hearse. (Not the four-hundred-pound formal bronze viewing casket delivered to
Bethesda
from Andrews Air Force Base in a light-gray Navy ambulance.) Lifton had asked
David to estimate the time, and he’d day around 6:40 or 6:45 PM. This is
undeniably a very early casket entry, and of a distinctly different type of
casket than the heavy, ornate bronze viewing coffin the president was placed in
at
Parkland
hospital after his death.
After lobbying Jeremy Gunn for months, I was finally allowed to conduct an
unsworn interview of Dennis David on the phone. He told the whole story again to
me, and nothing had changed form what he’d originally told Lifton seventeen
years previously. He also said that he’d asked Dr Boswell early the next
morning, after the autopsy was over, if the president had been in the casket
that he and the sailors had helped carry in that night; he asked the question
because although the Secret Service had told him to carry it into the morgue, he
and his sailors were not permitted to stay in the morgue and see it opened.
Boswell confirmed to Dennis David that he and his sailors had indeed carried the
president’s body into the morgue that evening.
All of this corroborates the Lifton hypothesis that the heavy bronze casket that
arrived about 45 minutes later that evening at the morgue loading dock, and was
quietly carried into the hospital by the FBI and Secret Service at about 7:17
PM, had to be empty.
It also tells us that we should pay attention to the many people in the morgue
who remembered the president’s body arriving in a zippered body bag, because
those observations are consistent with, and in fact corroborate, the broken
chain-of-custody demonstrated by the impossibly early casket entry. Jermey and I
located one additional body bag witness. We interviewed one of the morticians,
John Van Hoesen, and he independently recalled – we didn’t ask him – that
the president’s body was in a black zippered pouch. He joins several other,
previously known body-bag witnesses: Paul O’Conner, Floyd Riebe, Jerrol
Custer, and Captain John Stover. This is extremely significant because when the
president’s body left
Dallas
it was wrapped in two sheets, one around the body and one around the head, and
was not placed inside a body bag.
Here’s what this all means: Every time we have a witness who says they saw the
president removed from a body-bag, or arrive in a shipping casket, they are in
audience one, the early arrival audience that was present during, or immediately
after, the ‘early’ 6:35 PM arrival of the President’ body documented by
Sergeant Boyajian’s report.
Every time a witness says the president’s body arrived wrapped only in sheets,
in an expensive bronze casket, they are in audience two, which witnessed JFK
reintroduced into the morgue at 8:00 PM by the joint service casket team. I know
this sounds strange, but none of those people were making these stories up; they
are all credible witnesses who simply saw different events at different times
that evening.
The Secret Service, specifically Roy Kellerman, who had been the agent in charge
of the Texas trip, was stage-managing these shenanigans as best he could, and
attempting to keep the two audiences apart – with the exception of Humes,
Boswell, and their Navy superiors, who clearly all knew what was afoot. There
was a “shell game” going on with the president’s body between its initial
arrival at 6:35 PM and the commencement of the official “autopsy-of-record”
at 8:15 PM, when the y-incision was made in the chest. A preliminary medical
examination and other manipulations – what Lifton had speculatively called the
pre-autopsy autopsy – began about an hour-and-a-half before the official one.
Afterwards, the president’s body was then reintroduced into the bronze casket
wrapped in the sheets that it had left Dallas in, was placed in a light gray
Navy ambulance (for there was more than one in use that night), and was allowed
to be ‘found’ by the joint service casket team. (The casket team, or honor
guard, had admittedly lost track of the Dallas casket after its arrival at
Bethesda, tearing off in chase of an apparent ‘decoy’ and getting lost in
the darkness, on the unfamiliar grounds of the Navy medical complex). After
finding the Dallas casket in front of the hospital in a light gray ambulance, it
was formally and very publicly taken into the morgue by them at 8:00 PM – by
these military men from all of the different armed services in their dress
uniforms and white gloves – as recorded in the after-action report of the
Military District of Washington.
It really happened that way. The evidence for three separate casket entries into
the morgue (at 6:35 the aluminum shipping casket brought in by the Navy sailors,
at 7:17 the bronze casket’s surreptitious entry by the FBI and Secret Service,
and at 8:00 PM the official “ceremony” or delivery of the bronze casket by
the military honor guard) is overwhelming and unimpeachable, and the honest
researcher cannot simply be in denial about these events if he takes a
scientific, empirical approach to the evidence.
So why was this necessary? Why the shell game?
Because the chain-of-custody of the body has been broken, and it had arrived in
the wrong casket and in the wrong wrapping, in order that a clandestine
examination (prior to the autopsy proper) and clandestine manipulations
(unbeknownst to most autopsy witnesses) could be performed. This covert
operation had to be successful completed, and then covered up, if the country
was to buy the simplistic story of the assassination that the government was
selling, and so to effectuate the cover-up, the president’s body had to be
seen publicly arriving at the morgue in the Dallas casket and the Dallas
wrappings.
Hence the 8:00 PM casket entry, performed by the joint service casket team –
whose job it was to stay with the body and carry the casket – and dutifully
record in the after-action report written by the Army. The size of audience
number one, which witnessed the early entry and/or the first casket opening, was
small and it was composed of either conspirators (Humes, Boswell, and their
superiors), or very low level enlisted people who were muzzled after the fact by
threat of court martial.
The varying casket and ambulance descriptions, and the serious timeline
discrepancies about when the two caskets entered the morgue, prove there was a
serious break in the chain-of-custody of the president’s body, which in any
medico legal setting (such as a trial or inquest) would invalidate most, if not
all, of the autopsy results.
I am absolutely convinced that Humes and Boswell were engaged in a deception
that centered around getting the body early and performing certain manipulations
on it. The two FBI agents on the scene – O’Neill and Sibert, wrote that they
were initially barred from entering the morgue, and it is apparent that hence
they recorded in their report dated November 26 that what they sincerely
believed to be the first autopsy incision – the Y incision in the chest –
happened at 8:15 PM. Dr. Finck didn’t arrive until about 8:30 at night (after
the brain, lungs, and heart had been removed) and was also unaware of the Navy
manipulations performed on the body between the 6:35 PM arrival of the shipping
casket, and the 8:00 PM reintroduction of the body to the morgue in the bronze
Dallas casket.
D.R.: WHAT SPECIFIC MANIPULATIONS ARE YOU REFERING TO?
DOUG HORNE: Well, here we go – this is the heart of my book, and it is where I
differ significantly with the scenario laid out by David Lifton in best
Evidence. Lifton believed at the time his book was published that the reason the
Dallas wound descriptions by the treatment physicians at Parkland hospital (of a
localized exit wound in the back of the head and an entrance wound in the throat
below the Adam’s apple) are so different from the Bethesda wound descriptions
( of a much larger head wound encompassing additional, and massive damage to the
top and the right side of the head, and of an exit wound in the throat and an
entry wound in the high shoulder not seen in Dallas) is because the wounds on
the body were tampered with – altered – while the body was in transit
between Parkland hospital and the Bethesda complex in Maryland. He wrote in his
book that he alteration of the wounds on the body – post-mortem surgery –
was performed not only to remove bullets, but to reverse the apparent
trajectories first noted in the throat wound and the head wound at Parkland
hospital, and thus ‘fool’ the autopsy pathologists into believing that all
of the shots came from behind, rather than from in front. Lifton’s view in his
1981 book was that the body of the president, the road map of the shooting, was
altered to deceive the pathologists. He posited that the back of the head was
also reconstructed prior to arrival at Bethesda and that its condition not only
fooled the Navy pathologists, but also fooled the camera, resulting in the
autopsy photos we have today of an intact back of the head.
I have reinterpreted the same body of evidence he examined, and married that
body of evidence with certain key HSCA interviews (which are now open-in-full
and available to the public), and new findings gleaned from the ARRB interviews
and depositions, and have concluded that while the throat wound may possibly
have been tampered with in transit, that it was the Navy pathologists, Drs.
Humes and Boswell, and possibly one of their superiors, who performed the
post-mortem surgery that so drastically altered the head wound – enlarging it
to four or five times its original size in an attempt to make it appear more or
less consistent with a large exit wound caused by a shot fired from behind.
In altering the head wound they not only dramatically expanded the size of the
rather localized exit wound in the rear of the head seen in Dallas, to encompass
the top of the skull and part of the right side, but also surgically removed
from the body evidence of an entry wound in the right front of the head.
In doing so, they obliterated forensic evidence of a shot fired from the
‘grassy knoll.’
Numerous small bullet fragments – many more than the two mentioned in the
record today – were removed from the brain, and disposed of, never to be seen
again.
I also conclude, from a key HSCA staff interview report of an autopsy
technician, that they removed a large bullet fragment from the president’s
back – a significant portion of a bullet found lodged between two of his ribs.
The evidence for these claims will be presented in great detail in my
forthcoming book.
Furthermore, whereas Lifton believed that the autopsy photos we have today of an
intact back of the head were taken immediately after the body’s arrival, I am
now of the belief that the partial cranial reconstruction seen in these images
was performed after the conclusion of the autopsy and that the deceptive
photographic record of the back of the head that is in the archives today was
photographed after midnight, after the conclusion of the autopsy, by a different
photographer from the one who photographed the autopsy proper.
This is how we end up with “autopsy” photographs showing the back of the
head intact, which are in stark disagreement with both the
Dallas
and the
Bethesda
eyewitnesses. A large portion of the rear of the cranium was observed to be
missing by both Dallas and Bethesda eyewitnesses; the difference between their
observations is that most of the Bethesda eyewitnesses who saw the body after
8:00 PM recall not only the back of the head missing, but also significant
portions of the top and right-hand side of the skull, as well.
Most witnesses from the autopsy recall a very large area of missing bone at the
back of the head – confirmed fro us by the skull diagram Dr. Boswell drew in
three dimensions on a model skull. Because this damage does not appear in the
autopsy photographs on file in the National Archives, most researchers have
believed for many years that the discrepancy is explained by photographic
forgery, “special effects” to make the unsworn ARRB medical witness
interviews conducted by Jeremy and me, I no longer believe that photographic
forgery is an explanation for the perplexing back of the head images.
The alternative possibilities – namely, major manipulation of loose and
previously reflected scalp from elsewhere on the head, or partial reconstruction
of the head by the morticians, a the direction of the pathologists – seem to
be a much more likely explanation for these anomalous photos. To be sure, the
photos are a lie – for they do create the false impression that the back of
the head was intact when the body arrived from
Dallas
, and they do provide false “evidence” that all eyewitnesses to a blow-out
in the right rear of the head were ‘wrong.’ But I am as certain as I can be
that the are not photographic forgeries.
I was steered toward this opinion by the testimony of the two FBI agents, Sibert
and O’Neill. We would never have deposed them if I hadn’t insisted on it and
persevered. This was about two years into our medical effort, and Jeremy was
beginning to doubt the value of the exercise, because the memories were so old
and many witnesses’ stories kept changing over time. I mean, I was confused,
too, but I knew these differing recollections were important. My attitude was,
‘once these guys are dead, they can’t be interviewed by anybody.’ So
Jeremy finally gave the okay to make initial contact with the two FBI agents who
had been present at the autopsy. And, to my pleasant surprise, the agents were
not only willing to be deposed, they couldn’t wait. They were still offended
by not having been deposed by either the
Warren
Commission or the House Select Committee on Assassinations. And what we got
from them was a gold mine in some respects.
Both men found the images of the intact back of the head troubling, and
inconsistent with the posterior head wound they vividly remembered. O’Neill
opined under oath that the images appeared “doctored,” by which he meant
that the head had been put back together by the doctors. Sibert testified that
the head looked “reconstructed” – he actually used that word!
D.R.: CAN YOU EXPAND UPON WHY YOU ARE SO CERTAIN THE BACK OF THE HEAD IMAGES ARE
NOT PHOTOGRAPHIC FORGERIES?
DOUG HORNE: I am virtually certain they are not photographic forgeries because
I’ve looked at them in extremely close detail, and by this I mean I have
studied the so-called camera-original color positive transparencies for hours at
a time in Rochester, after they were magnified by enhancing software in the
Kodak lab where we took them for digital preservation. We didn’t see any matte
lines, or any discontinuities in the hair. We could see individual pores in the
skin in between the strands of hair, and all of the grain and resolution seemed
consistent across the board in the areas were looking at.
However, I’m convinced that, while not “special effects” forgeries, they
are fraudulent and dishonest. They official Navy photographer, John Stringer,
and his assistant Floyd Riebe, left the morgue after the conclusion of the
autopsy at about 11:45 PM or midnight. Then a second photographer – Robert
Knudsen, who was not a trained medical photographer, but a Navy chief
photographer’s mate who was a social photographer at the White House – was
employed to take the pictures of the head after its reconstruction.
And these photographs were later used to misrepresent the condition of the
president’s head when the body arrived at
Bethesda
. The real photographs of the exit wound in the rear of the president’s skull
would have been deep-sixed. It’s that simple.
Shortly after the assassination, on two separate occasions, Knudsen showed
another government photographer, Joe O’Donnell, two sets of photographs, one
with the back of the head intact (which must have been taken by himself, after
midnight, following partial reconstruction of the cranium). So I believe Knudsen
knew what hew as doing and what the intent was, but I do not believe he thought
he was doing it for sinister reasons. His family described him to us as a very
patriotic American who loved President Kennedy, so I conclude that he, too, like
Humes and Boswell, was no doubt given a national security cover story to explain
why he was engaged in subterfuge.
D.R.: YOU HAVE BEEN QUOTED AS COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT
IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES IS NOT THE ORIGINAL VERSION. CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT?
DOUG HORNE: I’m positive the autopsy report in evidence today,
Warren
Commission Exhibit #387, is the third version prepared – not the sole
version, as was claimed for years by those who wrote it and signed it. A careful
study of the receipt trail for transmission of the report, the Humes and Boswell
deposition transcripts reveals what happened.
First, Humes and Boswell met about mid-day on Saturday, November 23 (the day
after the autopsy) and reviewed a draft of the autopsy report. It is both
interesting, and significant, I think, that Dr. Finck was not present. The draft
was also reviewed that day by the C.O. of the Naval hospital, Captain Robert
Canada. Humes then destroyed both his own autopsy notes, and that first draft,
in the fireplace of his home early in the morning of Sunday, November 24. He may
have also destroyed the notes of Dr. Finck at that same time. (David Lifton led
the ARRB to a very credible witness who signed an affidavit stating that he
overheard Finck complaining in 1963 that his notes had disappeared the night of
the autopsy, and that he had to reconstruct them from memory afterwards.)
So the first autopsy report – a draft that Finck did not see but which was
reviewed by Humes, Boswell, and Captain
Canada
, was burned early Sunday morning before sunrise.
We also know that the three pathologists met, reviewed, and signed an autopsy
report during the daylight hours on Sunday, November 24. But I do not believe
the autopsy report signed November 24 – the second version – is the one in
the archives today. I say this because Warren Commission staff director J. Lee
Rankin is quoted in an executive session transcript from late in January 1964 as
saying that the autopsy [report] sows a bullet fragment (by implication, from
the headshot) came out the front of President Kennedy’s neck – a conclusion
that is most definitely not in the autopsy report in the record today. So where
is this second version of the autopsy report?
Apparently, the Kennedy family got a hold of it in 1965 and it has never been
seen since. The evidence for this is a receipt prepared by Vice Admiral Burkley,
the president’s military physician, on April 26, 1965 which transfers the
original autopsy report and seven copies from the Secret Service to Evelyn
Lincoln, in compliance with Senator Robert Kennedy’s orders to transfer all of
the autopsy materials to his custody. So far, so good, but wait! Incredibly,
there is a second receipt transferring shat is described as the ‘original’
autopsy report, only this time it is transferred from the Secret Service to the
national archives on October 3, 1967. How could an original document be
transferred from the Secret Service to Evelyn Lincoln, and then a second time
from the Secret Service to someone else? This can only happen if there are two
documents, two autopsy reports.
The first autopsy report transferred, the one passed to the Kennedy family in
April, 1965, has disappeared along with various tissue samples and a brain
specimen; it is almost certainly the version J. Lee Rankin refers to in the then
– Top Secret Warren Commission executive session transcript. The second signed
version of the autopsy report transferred by the Secret Service, the one they
transmitted to the archives in October 1967, is the item in evidence today;
therefore, counting the draft that Humes burned on November 24 in his fireplace,
it is (at least) the third version of the autopsy report, overall.
Instead of describing a fragment of the head shot exiting the front of the neck,
the report in the archives instead describes a bullet – what came to be known
later as the so-called ‘magic bullet’ – transiting the body, from the rear
to the front, entering high in the shoulder and exiting the front of the neck
below the Adam’s apple. The autopsy report in the archives today is an undated
document. Only the transmission letter is dated November 24, and if the report
was rewritten as the receipt trail shows it must have been, then the new report
could have been substituted in the official record without changing the
transmission letter, giving the false impression that it was prepared on
November 24.
All we know for sure is that the version in evidence today, CE# 387, was shown
to Parkland hospital doctors in
Dallas
on December 11, 1963. Its conclusions that a bullet transited the body from
back to front were used to get the
Dallas
doctors to doubt their own conclusions on November 22 that the president had
been shot in the throat from the front.
D. R.: IN NOVEMBER 1998 THERE WERE TWO NEWSPAPER STORIES, ONE PUT OUT BY THE
ASSOCIATED PRESS, AND THE OTHER BY THE WASHINGTON POST, WHICH QUOTED YOUR ARRB
RESEARCH MEMO THAT CONCLUDED THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE BRAIN EXAMINATIONS AFTER
THE AUTOPSY ONTEH BODY, INSTEAD OF ONY ONE, AS THERE NORMALLY SHOULD BE. THAT
SOUNDS INCREDIBLE. HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THAT CONCLUSION?
DOUG HORNE: That insight, or rather epiphany, came to me fairly early in our
investigation, in May 1996, right before the Finck deposition. Jeremy and I were
working on the weekend to get ready for it. He asked me to do a study of all
events surrounding the brain exam. (In cases of death due to head trauma, the
brain is always examined separately after it has been removed from the body and
has been fixed to some extent in formaldehyde).
I sat down and pulled out every piece of testimony and every document I could
find. After I finished, I walked into his office and said, “Jeremy, if you
just do a time-line analysis, it’s clear there were two events. This is really
big, and it’s also frustrating because we’ve already deposed Humes and
Boswell.”
He looked at me and said, “I also think there were two brain exams.” I was
stunned, and asked how he’d come to the same conclusion. “By reading the
descriptions of the damage,” he said, “and comparing those descriptions to
the pattern of damage evident in the brain photographs in the archives. In my
opinion, they don’t match.”
So when we deposed Finck a few days later, we focused in on this one subject,
and this is where we got our one big answer from him. The examination of the
president’s brain clearly took place on November 25, 1963, based upon the
consistent testimony of Dr. Boswell and autopsy photographer John Stringer over
the years, furthermore, a lab technician at Bethesda, Leland Benson, told the
HSCA that he processed brain tissue on Monday, November 25, on the dame date
identified independently by both Boswell and Stringer as the date of the brain
exam. (Humes’ answers on this were all over the map, and veried, when he was
pressed on the subject.) Finck was known to have been at a brain exam, and wrote
in a 1965 report to his boss that he was first contacted about a brain exam by
Humes on November 29. When we asked Finck at his ARRB deposition whether the
exam he attended had transpired two or three days after the autopsy, or about a
week later, he was emphatic in his belief that it occurred at least a week after
the autopsy, and as I recall it was just about the only answer he was adamant
about. This was consistent with the memorandum he’d written to Brigadier
General J. M. Blumberg, his military superior, in February 1965.
We called the Navy photographer, John Stringer, to testify. To our amazement, he
disowned the brain photographs in the Archives, for three reasons. First, they
were taken on a type of film that he did not use. They also depicted
“inferior” views of the underside of the brain that he was certain he did
not shoot. And, finally, the photographs of several individual sections of brain
tissue that he did photograph – brain tissue that he insisted had been
serially sectioned – were not present.
FBI agent O’Neill also swore to us that the brain photos in the Archives could
not possibly be of the president’s brain, because there was too much tissue
present. O’Neill remembered clearly that more than half of President
Kennedy’s brain was missing when he saw it at the autopsy, following its
removal from the cranium. Both O’Niell and Tom Robinson, one of the
morticians, told us that they recalled that a large portion of the rear of the
president’s brain was missing, when they saw it outside the body at the morgue
during the autopsy. And each man unequivocally demonstrated the location of the
absent brain tissue in my presence, by dramatically placing his right hand on
the back of the right side of his own head, behind the right ear. By contrast,
in the brain depicted in the archives photographs, the right cerebellum is
completely intact. Both John Stringer and many of the Dallas treating physicians
recalled severe damage to the cerebellum, the structure low in the rear of the
human brain.
There is absolutely no doubt that the second brain exam – on a brain not
belonging to John F. Kennedy – occurred sometime between November 29 (when
Humes contacted Finck) and December 2, because a Navy chief hospital corpsman
named Chester Boyers told the HSCA that he prepared brain tissue slides on
December 2. It’s also my firm belief that Dr. Finck – who had arrived late
at the autopsy on November 22 – was used as a “dupe” so that he could
“authenticate” the photographs of the second brain specimen, in the event
that was ever required. I think Finck knew something was wrong by this time,
because he engaged in very clever “CYA” by writing, in his report to
Brigadier General Blumberg in February 1965, that the brain he subsequently
examined looked different than it had looked at the autopsy – although he
benignly attributed the change in its appearance in his written report to an
arcane “fixation artifact.”
Summarizing, the photographs of President Kennedy’s brain, exposed by John
Stringer on November 25, were never introduced into the official record because
they showed a pattern of damage – missing tissue from the rear of the brain
– consistent with a fatal shot form the front, and that evidence had to be
suppressed. The photographs of a second brain, taken sometime between November
29 – December 2, 1963 by an unknown Navy photographer, were introduced into
the official record because the brain employed in that exercise exhibited a
pattern of damage – to the top-right-side of the brain – generally
consistent with a shot from above and behind.
So where did that brain come from? I can only remind you that Bethesda was a
teaching facility with a medical school alongside the treatment hospital, and
specimens would have been on hand at the medical school for teaching purposes;
furthermore, there were regular “brain cuttings” about once per week in the
D.C. area that were attended by both Navy personnel at Bethesda and Army
personnel stationed at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, or AFIP. So
fixed brains would have been available, one way or another.
An accomplished forensic pathologist who viewed the brain photos in the archives
at the request of the ARRB told us in 1996 that the brain in these photographs,
which appears very gray in the color transparencies, was “very well fixed,”
and that it had been in a formalin solution for at least 2 weeks before being
photographed, since it showed no traces whatsoever of pink coloration. That
ensures it cannot possibly be President Kennedy’s brain, which was examined
only 3 days after his death.
Finally, the supplementary autopsy report indicates that the brain depicted in
the photographs in the archives weighted 1,500 grams when weighted at the brain
exam, which exceeds the weight of an average, normal male brain. This is
completely incompatible with a brain that was missing over half its tissue when
observed at the autopsy by FBI agent O’Neill, or a brain that was missing most
of the right occipital lobe of the cerebral cortex and much of the right
cerebellum, as observed by Dr. McClennand at Parkland hospital.
A short discussion on the autopsy x-rays of the skull is imperative here. I
believe that independent researcher David Mantik, who is both an MD (a radiation
oncologist) and who is also a Ph.D. in physics, has conclusively proven, with
his exhaustive optical density measurements of the x-ray materials in the
archives, that the three head x-rays in the autopsy collection are not originals
but are forged complete copy films that are simply modifications of the
authentic skull x-rays.
My own hypothesis and reinterpretation of the medical evidence necessitates that
the original x-rays were exposed only after Humes and Boswell had completed
their clandestine post-mortem surgery on the skull to remove bullet fragments
form the brain and enlarge the head wound. The two lateral skull x-rays, Mantik
has demonstrated, had a very dense optical patch superimposed on the copy films
over the occipital-parietal area behind the ear to mask the blow-out or exit
wound seen in Dallas in the back of the head. Mantik also claims that the single
anterior-posterior (or “A-P”) skull x-ray has had a 6.5-millimeter wide
artifact, which is intended to represent a bullet fragment – a ‘cross
section’ of the ‘assassin’s bullet’ – imposed on the copy film as a
special effect, to implicate the Oswald rife as the supposed murder weapon.
To reiterate, the skull depicted in each of the three head x-rays is that of JFK,
but artifacts were added to the images during the copying process – through a
relatively simple procedure involving applying additional light to specific
areas on each film while other areas were masked off – which can now be easily
detected using new technology, optical densitometry. I will be offering quite
detailed explanation of Mantik’s findings in my forthcoming book.
In short: the autopsy photos are not altered photographically (and yet because
of the manipulation of the scalp after completion of the autopsy, some of them
present false and deceptive images of the head wounds). Many authentic autopsy
images that are known to have been exposed at the autopsy are not in the
collection today – they are missing and presumed destroyed. But Mantik’s
work has persuaded me that the three skull x-rays are forgeries – altered copy
films created from the original skull x-rays. Both sets of images together –
the autopsy photographs and x-rays – present a distorted and intentionally
dishonest depiction of how the primacy (in 1963, anyway if not today) – of
photographs and image technology in our culture, and the assumption in those
years that they always reflected ‘reality,’ these fraudulent collections
have been used to fool three official investigations (the Clark Panel, the
Rockefeller Commission, and the HSCA forensic pathology panel), and continue to
present an enduring lie about what happened to President Kennedy in 1963.
D.R.: I UNDERSTAND YOU ALSO DID SOME WORK IN ANALYZING THE ZAPRUDER FILM. DID
THAT TEND TO CONFIRM ANY OF THIS?
DOUG HORNE: We asked Roland Zavada of Kodak, a retired film chemist and a
self-taught home movie expert, to do a major authenticity study of the Zapruder
film, and he did a very professional job and put a lot of work into it. My own
conclusions today about the Zapruder film are in opposition to Zavada’s; he
thinks it is authentic and I do not.
My conclusion is the ‘minority position’ within the research community, and
is very controversial, and a lot of people think I’m wrong. But I just don’t
think his study is conclusive. All of the external indicators on the film are
indeed consistent with authenticity – like the date code of when the film came
out of the factory, the type of film used, and the processing markings from the
lab in Dallas. Well, of course they are. Any conspirator who’s going to change
a movie and screw up that kind of stuff isn’t worth two cents. But I don’t
think that’s the end of the story, because we uncovered two crucial witnesses
from a CIA photo lab who cast serious doubt on the provenance of the film in the
archives today.
Here’s how it came about. The Review Board held a public hearing on the
Zapruder film, which was televised by C-Span. One of the people watching
happened to be one of the two people who actually magnified individual frames
from the Zapruder film the weekend of the assassination and made prints for
three briefing boards intended for use in briefing high officials in the
government The individual who watched the Z-film hearing on C-Span was named
Morgan Bennett Hunter, and his supervisor in 1963 was Homer McMahon: both were
the CIA employees at NPIC, the National Photo Interpretation Center.
Homer McMahon was then head of the still photography color lab at NPIC, and Ben
Hunter was his assistant. After Hunter contacted us and told us he had a story
to tell us about the Z-film, we asked the CIA to proved clearance for the two
men to speak with us and we then interviewed them multiple times.
The story that Homer and his assistant Ben told us was that, on the weekend of
the assassination, they had a film brought to them by the Secret Service. The
agent said his name was Bill Smith, which I firmly believe is a pseudonym
because we ascertained from a roster of employees that the Secret Service had no
special agent named ‘Bill Smith’ onboard in 1963.
The Z-film was brought to them at NPIC on either Saturday night or Sunday night
after the assassination, because they were positive it was before the
president’s funeral, which was on Monday. They said that Bill Smith brought
what he represented to them as being the original Zapruder film. He did not come
from Dallas. He came from Rochester, New York, where he said the film had been
developed. And he used a code word for a classified film laboratory that the CIA
had paid Kodak to set up and run in Rochester, their headquarters and main
industrial facility.
The implications of this are off-scale. This assertion by the Secret Service to
two CIA film professionals that the original Z-film was developed in Rochester
at a secret CIA-sponsored facility, instead of in Dallas, runs contrary to the
paper trail that had traditionally been accepted as ground truth since 1967. We
therefore now have an almost-too-good paper trail of typed and signed affidavits
prepared by Abraham Zapruder – signed by all the processing personnel involved
with the film on the day of the assassination – which can no longer guarantee
the authenticity of the film in the archives.
Let me explain what I mean by that. The processing affidavits which attempt to
establish the film’s chain-of-custody are all dated November 22, the day of
the assassination, when Zapruder was running around helter-skelter trying to get
his film developed. He went first to a TV station and then some other place,
where he was told that since the film’s chemistry was proprietary, it had to
go to a Kodak lab to be developed. So, yes, these affidavits still do mean that
the Kodak lab in Dallas developed the original film, they establish that Mr.
Zapruder exposed three contact prints at the Jamieson film lab in Dallas; and
they further establish that he then returned to the Kodak processing plant where
the three copies were immediately developed. All of these things happened on
November 22 – I don’t doubt that for one minute.
But I think the affidavits recording these events were probably really executed
on Monday, November 25, and back-dated to the 22. (No one I am aware of saw
Abraham Zapruder running around Dallas on November 22 with a manual typewriter
under his arm.)
On Saturday, Zapruder signed a contract with Life Magazine for $50,000 for print
rights only, permitting them to keep the materials for only one week. Then, on
Monday, a new contract was signed for print and motion picture rights, and Life
was to keep the materials forever. Zapruder got a lot more money - $150,000
total now, instead of $50,000 – when he renegotiated his deal on Monday. In
support of his new contract, I believe he then had to prove the provenance of
the film, so he created the appropriate paper trail in the form of the
back-dated affidavits.
At the same time this was going on, you have the two men in the NPIC lab being
told over that weekend that the original film came from Rochester. I’ll tell
you why that’s important. If Kodak lab technicians in Dallas have developed
the original film on the day of the assassination, which they surely did, you
can’t take them another, altered and reconstructed film two days later and ask
them to develop it again.
If someone had reconstructed a new, altered Zapruder film on an optical printer
in a sophisticated lab, they could not blow their cover by taking the new film
back to the same developing lab. So, if someone was involved in creating an
altered film, they’d have to develop it at some other Kodak facility. And you
didn’t have many choices. One choice was the Kodak plant in Chicago, and
another was the main plant in Rochester, the choice for developing would be
obvious.
If the authentic, original film was really shot in slow motion, at 48 frames per
second, instead of using the normal speed setting on the camera of 16 fps, and
you wanted to remove certain events such as the car stop on Elm Street that over
50 Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses testified to, you would need to remove several
frames, and then recreate a film that runs at normal speed, and that is much
shorter than the original in terms of total number of frames. Furthermore, if
you wanted to eliminate evidence of shots from the front you would need to black
out the exit wound in the back of the head in some frames, and even remove some
frames showing exit debris in mid-air; and if you wanted the new Z-film to
roughly correspond with the pattern damage in the autopsy photos, you would need
to paint on large wounds at the top and the right side of the head in the
appropriate frames. The image alteration in these frames would be done using the
techniques called aerial imaging at a facility that possessed a sophisticated
optical printer.
I know I’m speculating – I don’t know what equipment was in that Rochester
photo lab – but this new chain-of-custody for what was represented by the
Secret Service to be the original Z-film is very suspicious. All I’m saying is
that anyone who believes that the so-called original film in the archives today
may be an altered, reconstructed product, and not the true original mentioned in
the Zapruder affidavit trail, has valid grounds to be suspicious of it. There
are sound reasons, based upon the McMahon/Hunter interviews, to support this
possibility.
Those who would create a false legend of the shooting by culling the autopsy
photo collection and inserting manipulated photos that told a false story of the
wounds and the shooting, would of necessity also have to either destroy, or
alter, any motion picture evidence of the assassination that was inconsistent
with the officially promulgated version of the assassination.
And if an original and seven copies of an autopsy report can be successfully
switched out and substituted, then so can an original and three copies of a
motion picture film.
Perhaps a “film switch” is even why Zapruder was allowed to renegotiate his
contract with Life Magazine, perhaps that additional $150,000 (which was
pro-rated over a six year period) bought his silence and future cooperation.
After all, he did see the true original in the Kodak lab the day of the
assassination, and did screen it for others (such as Dan Rather) on Saturday,
November 23. (Perhaps this is why Dan Rather’s contemporaneous account of what
he saw in the film that weekend, broadcast on the radio, differs from what we
see in the film in the archives today!). It would have been imperative to
reliably obtain Zapruder’s silence over the weekend. This scenario would also
explain the accounts we have all heard over the years of others either seeing or
possessing different versions of the Zapruder film from the one we know today,
if the true original and the three true first-generation copies were not all
immediately destroyed.
The reason so many people resist this idea is because the Zapruder film has long
been used as a time-clock of the assassination, and considered to be the one
thing we can count on in the evidence trail. Based upon the McMahon/Hunter
interviews, that approach could now be meaningless.
When I study the film on DVD, and concentrate on the still frames associated
with the head shot, and see the enormous head wound on the top of the head and
the right side that looks ‘kind of like’ the autopsy photos but not exactly
the same, and which seems to float and jump around a bit on the skull as you
view the film, I wonder if the scenario I have laid out above could be true.
D.R.: WHAT YOU’RE IMPLYING, OF COURSE, IS THAT HIGH-LEVEL OFFICIALS WITHIN THE
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT KNEW, RIGHT FROM THE FRONT, THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER GUNMAN
BESIDES OSWALD.
DOUG HORNE: ‘Shots from multiple directions’ is how I would put it. Because
of the voice stress analysis work of George O’Toole in the mid-1970s,
suggesting that Oswald was not lying when he said he was just a patsy and that
he did not shoot anyone, I am not yet convinced that Oswald shot anyone in
Dealey Plaza. He was certainly involved in something – up to his neck – and
was probably being ‘run’ by intelligence operatives, and perhaps even
engaging in a charade by posing as a leftist Castro sympathizer, but I am not
convinced that he shot anyone himself. His shooting skills were below average by
the time he was discharged from the Marine Corps, and the murder weapon of
record – the war surplus carbine he ordered under an alias – was a terrible
weapon in general, and the one he owned was in particularly bad condition, as
the FBI later revealed.
D.R.: WHAT DOES THIS INDICATE TO YOU ABOUT THE FORCES BEHIND THE ASSASSINATION?
DOUG HORNE: Well, you can go two ways. If you accept a government cover-up as a
given, then it’s either a benigh one or a sinster one. If it’s benign, then
the people engineering the cover-up weren’t part of the murder plot, but they
think that for one reason or another, they can’t tell the truth – the truth
might endanger the country because it might trigger World War Three if it
appears, rightly or wrongly, that there was foreign involvement in the
assassination.
Or, there might be a real fear that he public would lose faith in our
institutions, if we have to admit to our citizenry that ‘multiple people shot
the president and we don’t know who they are and we can’t catch them.’
The other alternative, the sinister one, posits that the people performing the
cover-up actions – lets say the actors on the ground, Humes and Boswell and
the photographers involved – believe that they are doing a benign cover-up for
national security reasons. But the people giving them their orders know better,
and are part of the assassination plot.
I believe that the latter scenario detailed above is the most likely one. I’m
sure as I can be that Humes went to his grave thinking that, ‘Yes, I lied and
I obstructed justice, but I did it for the good of national security, and I’m
not going to tell anybody because to do so would open the biggest can of worms
in history and turn me into a target, so I did my duty and I’m a patriot and
that’s the way it is.’ James J. Humes often acted and spoke over the years
as if he was harboring some great secrets about the assassination that no one
else was smart enough to figure out, and that he was not going to tell any of us
what those secrets were because none of us had a need to know – that only he
(and “J” Thorton Boswell) did.
D. R.: ARE THERE RECORDS THAT EXIST ANYWHERE OF WHO COULD HAVE CONTACTED DRS.
HUMES AND BOSWELL AT BETHESDA AND TOLD THEM TO DO THIS?
DOUG HORNE: Yeah, several records, and they’ve been around a long time. The
FBI agents, Sibert and O’Neill, made a list of who was present at the autopsy,
at least the people who chose to voluntarily write down their names.
One of those is the surgeon general of the Navy, Vice Admiral Edward Kenney, the
head of the Medical Corps. During the Clay Shaw trial in 1969, Finck revealed
that Kenney had told everybody, “you will not discuss these events with
anyone.” (Finck also testified at the Shaw trial that an unnamed Army general
was in charge of the events in the morgue.)
So, in my view, the candidates for directing sinister activities, by name, are
Admiral Kinney and Admiral Calvin Galloway, the head of Bethesda NNMC, as well
as Captain John Stover, who was the head of the medical school and forced the
Navy’s autopsy participants to sign those “letters of silence” after the
autopsy which were so onerous, and which blatantly and openly threatened the
Navy personnel with court martial if they were to discuss the events of the
autopsy with anyone.
The people we deposed who testified about Stover’s attitude and demeanor, like
the x-ray technicians and the photographer Stringer, were clearly still scared
of this man over thirty years later.
And last, but not least, Rear Admiral George Burkley, the president’s military
physician, tried all night long to limit the scope of the autopsy, and
furthermore, appears to have been in charge of coordinating the development of
all post-mortem photography. Burkley is almost certainly the person who was
responsible for making the many bone fragments from the skull disappear: the 3
fragments brought into the morgue late in the autopsy by the Secret Service, and
the Harper fragment and Burros fragment, from Dallas.
I don’t see any of these people as the masterminds of an assassination plot,
but I believe some of them were knowing participants at the mid-level of the
conspiracy, and others had probably been given a national security cover story
to justify the cover-up they were involved in.
D.R.: IT’S STRANGE, IN ITS FINAL REPORT, THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
ASSASSINATIONS CLAIMED THAT NONE OF THE TWENTY-SIX PEOPLE PRESENT AT THE AUTOPSY
HAD DIFFERING ACCOUNTS FROM THE GENERAL DEPICTIONS OF THE WOUNDS SEEN IN THE
PHOTOGRAPHS AND X-RAYS.
DOUG HORNE: That statement in Volume 7 is a big lie. That was a major
interpretive find by Dr. Gary Aguilar immediately following the release in 1993
of the HSCA’s own interview reports and depositions, and he’s ‘spot-on’
with his criticism. The House Select Committee’s own medical witness interview
reports, and its transcript of the deposition of Dr. John Ebersole, the autopsy
radiologist, reveal this statement to be untrue, but no one knew this until
these reports were released in 1993 by the JFK Act.
Robert Blakey suppressed these reports by sealing them for 50 years, and we
still would not know about this ‘big lie’ even today, if it had not been for
Oliver Stone’s movie and the resulting JFK Records Act. This falsehood
actually led David Lifton down the wrong path in 1979 and 1980 and caused him to
believe that the back of the head was intact when the body was received at
Bethesda, simply because he was told by the HSCA in Volume 7 that the photos
were ground truth and that all of the autopsy witnesses agreed with what they
showed.
So I say, “shame on you, Robert Blakey,” with the utmost invective I can
muster, and ask the rhetorical question: “What were you up to in 1978 and
1979?” Your principal medical staff investigator, Andy Purdy, told the ARRB in
1996 that he did not know who was responsible for the statement in Volume 7 that
none of the autopsy witnesses disagreed with the autopsy photos and x-rays, and
he freely acknowledged that the statement was incorrect. He also told us that he
had expected all of the HSCA staff’s medical witness interview reports and
depositions to be published, and was surprised when most of them were instead,
sequestered for 50 years.
By the way, Robert Blakey also suppressed a key August 1978 deposition
transcript of photographer Robert Knudsen for 50 years because it presented
recollections and assertions incompatible with the HSCA’s conclusions about
the autopsy photographs; furthermore, no one mentioned anywhere in Volume 7 of
the HSCA’s report that the deposition was even conducted! In my opinion,
Blakey is someone who cannot be trusted to comment accurately or truthfully on
the Kennedy assassination. It appears tat he was pursuing an agenda in 1978-79
that may have been incompatible with the truth, and if that assessment is
correct, then he is undoubtedly still covering his ass today.
D.R.: AT THIS LATE DATE, DO YOU THINK WE WILL EVER KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
THAT DAY IN DALLAS?
DOUG HORNE: I think we can prove, based on the medical cover-up, that the
official story is not true, and that the government knew that and suppressed
what was true. Everything else then becomes speculation.
D.R.: WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING SINCE
DOUG HORNE: I’m now at the State Department, in a very non-glamorous,
nose-to-the-grindstone job as a passport specialist. I review and approve
thousands of passport applications every year. It is a way to pay the rent as I
work my way toward retirement in about 10 years, and to simply keep me afloat
while I try to complete my manuscript in my spare time. I have about 750
manuscript pages written already, and that represents only about 60% or so of
the text.
It is my magnum opus, a book that will be so massive, and so detailed, that for
me to get my message out unfiltered and in an unabridged fashion, it will have
to be made available as a “publish on demand” specialty type item sold on
the internet, and printed one copy at a time, as each customer pays for it. I
will not submit my work to the arbitrary restrictions on length that are imposed
by mainstream publishers, nor will I permit an editor to ‘tone down’ the
political content of my manuscript.
I would rather say exactly what I want to say, in the way that I want to say it,
and only sell a thousand copies, for example, than water down my life’s work
into a three-hundred-page puff piece with inadequate detail and inadequate
supporting documentation.
My goal is to tell the truth as I know it, without anyone watering it down –
not to make money. My manuscript is a labor of love, and will be the sharing of
an intellectual journey with those who are captivated by the medical evidence,
and who have a love of detail.
With any luck I will finish the manuscript by the end of 2008, and I hope it
will be available to purchase on-line, as “print on demand” item, by
November 2009.
Dick Russell’s On the Trail of the Assassins – Buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Trail-JFK-Assassins-Revealing-Americas/dp/1602393222
My review of DR’s OTTOTA:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13575
A MESSAGE FROM DOUG HORNE ABOUT HIS FORTHCOMING BOOK
I’m pleased to report that my book about the medical coverup in the Kennedy
assassination, Inside the ARRB, is finally completed, and will be published in
the near future, hopefully in December of 2009.
The only real certainty we are left with about the events in Dallas in 1963 is
that there was a massive coverup, and that the two official explanations about
what happened --- offered up by the Warren Commission and the HSCA --- cannot be
true. So much physical evidence was destroyed, and so much tainted evidence was
introduced into the official record, that I am convinced the reason the evidence
in the Kennedy assassination “doesn’t come together” like a normal
homicide case is because there is fraud in the evidence. To continue to assume
that all of the evidence held by the U.S. government is sacrosanct, and should
be accepted at face value, will only guarantee that there will never be a
consensus about what happened. Much of the evidence processed by the Federal
government is suspect, and tainted.
If the tainted evidence can be identified, and separated from the more
trustworthy evidence, we stand a much better chance of understanding the nature
of both the murder, and more importantly, the coverup. The coverup tells us more
about the assassination than endless arguments about how many shooters there
were, or where they were located in Dealey Plaza.
I felt compelled to attempt to unravel the mystery surrounding the medical
evidence by taking a serious look at how much evidence was destroyed in 1963,
and which evidence in the official record is likely tainted, and cannot be
trusted (and why). It was no easy task; but neither was it an impossible
endeavor.
Additionally, I closely examined the statements and testimony of key Parkland
hospital and Bethesda autopsy witnesses over the years to see who had been
consistent in describing events, and who had changed his testimony as time
passed. I acted as a very curious citizen-detective, and made no starting
assumptions about the presumed authenticity of any particular item of evidence.
What one believes about JFK’s assassination depends upon which data base one
relies upon; there is so much conflicted evidence that one can “cherry pick”
the evidence in the official record and come to almost any conclusion about the
facts of the shooting. I attempted to examine the broad range of virtually all
of the medical evidence, and tried very hard to avoid the limited and selective
use of evidence, a mistake made by both the Warren Commission and the HSCA.
My conclusions are that neither the autopsy report (a document rewritten at
least twice), nor the autopsy photographs and x-rays (which present dishonest
and intentionally misleading images of the head wounds), can be relied upon to
determine the reality of the event in Dealey Plaza, and that the original
observations of the treating physicians and nurses at Parkland hospital remain
the best single guide to the actual wounds sustained by President Kennedy ---
but that they still must be judiciously married to certain other key facts, to
ascertain what likely happened.
Once one accepts that JFK was killed by a crossfire, the focus shifts to the who
and the why, and my book attempts to deal with this subject as well, for the
assassination can only be understood in terms of the context in which it took
place: at the height of the Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
For more information on my book, please reference my blog:
insidethearrb.livejournal.com.
TABLE OF CONTENTS:
Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final
Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of
JFK
By Douglas P. Horne
Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassinations Records Review Board
Table of Contents
Volume 1
Preface: Why Do I Care?
Acknowledgements
Part I: The ARRB Medical Witnesses
Introduction: Beginning My ARRB Journey p. 3
Prologue: The Culture of the ARRB p. 9
Chapter 1: Epiphanies p. 25
Chapter 2: The ARRB Medical Evidence Depositions and Unsworn Interviews p. 59
Chapter 3: The Autopsy Pathologists p. 69
Illustration Section (Details Below)
Chapter 4: Autopsy Photography (Part One) p. 131
Volume II
Chapter 4: Autopsy Photography (Part Two) p. 255
Chapter 5: The Autopsy X-Rays p. 389
Chapter 6: The Morticians p. 589
Chapter 7: A Short Trip to Texas p. 641
Volume III
Chapter 8: FBI Agents Sibert and O’Neill p 667
Chapter 9: The Dallas Doctors Depositions – A Government FUBAR of Major
Proportions p. 741
Part II: Fraud in the Evidence – A Pattern of Deception
Chapter 10: Two Brain Examinations – Coverup Confirmed p. 777
Chapter 11: Three Autopsy Reports – A Botched Coverup p. 845
Chapter 12: The Autopsy Photographs and X-Rays Explained p. 883
Volume IV
Chapter 13: What Really Happened at the Bethesda Morgue (And in Dealey Plaza?)
p.987
Chapter 14: The Zapruder Film Mystery p. 1185
Volume V
Part III: The Political Context of the Assassination
Chapter 15: The Setup – Planning the Texas Trip and the Dallas Motorcade
p.1379
Chapter 16: Inconvenient Truths p. 1469
Epilogue p. 1777
Afterword p. 1797
About the Author p. 1805
Illustrations
The illustrations are located at the end of Chapter Three
Thanks to Tom Blackwell for the tape of John Judge at Dealey Plaza on the 46th
anniversary of JFK's assassination.
John Judge at the Grassy Knoll – November 22, 2009 – 12:30 PM CST Dallas
My name is John Judge. I’m here with the Coalition on Political
Assassinations.
I was asked by researcher Penn Jones to continue the tradition of carrying on
the moment of silence here on he grassy knoll.
I also hold a conference ever year, right down there at the Hotel Lawrence, of
the real researchers, the serious research into the ballistic, acoustic and
medical evidence into the assassination of President Kennedy, and the
assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, and the assassination of Martin Luther King,
and the assassination of Malcolm X, and many other people who are murdered and
continue to be murdered to this day by political assassination under this state.
I don’t come out here to commemorate the glory of the United States. The
United States is in serous trouble. It is not a democracy any longer, as long as
we let these murders go on unsolved and as long as we refuse to take back our
own history and let the national security state bury it. We are in serious
trouble in this country; we are being lied to and we are lying to ourselves if
we don’t take a moment and understand that what happened here on November
22nd, 1963 was not a lone gunman in a window, it was a military coup d’etat
and the rise of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about his
final speech.
It was a military coup d’etat that removed the cryptonomic books from all the
SAC bombers that day, that shut off the telephones at the Pentagon through all
other federal agencies, and reversed the course of Kennedy’s detente with the
Soviet Union to end the Cold War, to stop the arms race, to quit nuclear
testing, to pullout of Vietnam, to promote racial integration in this country,
to get rid of the oil tax depletion allowance for the oil rich Southern Rim, to
scatter the CIA to the four winds – these are the reasons why Kennedy was
killed, not by a lone-nut, but by a well organized conspiracy and coverup that
went to the top of the power systems of this country.
Penn Jones was (a newspaperman) and independent investigative researcher who
knew these facts, he tracked the witness deaths in the cases. He asked me to
come out here every year because I came out here with him since the 1970s
forward.
We always get a legal permit to have this space to hold the moment of silence
from the parks department. We are glad to be here and to have people come out.
This is a larger crowd than came for many, many years. But since Oliver
Stone’s film more and more of you have been coming out.
We are about to getting at the truth of these assassinations, and looking at the
serious evidence that’s come out in these cases, not about speculations, not
about theories, not about conspiracy theories, which is a new term for any
criticism we do of the official lies. You can call us conspiracy theorists if
you call everyone else a coincidence theorists.
LAUGHTER
But we are talking about historic realities, and medical evidence, ballistics,
and hard facts. So I want to take a moment to have a moment of silence, but a
moment of contemplation, a moment of realization of its import.
The Dallas Morning News came ten years after we started doing this, they finally
came out and they said why we are doing out here after all these many years
later?
I said the same reason we are here for the same reason your editor told you to
come down here and ask us. Because we know and the system knows these murders
matter and they’ve lied about them since then.
So take a moment and think about that.
MOMENT OF SILENCE - 1 minute.
John Judge: John F. Kennedy was someone who stood up to this system and where it
was going in those critical years. He refused to go to nuclear war against the
advice of all of his generals during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he refused to
kill Castro, he refused to get into an extended military carpet bombing of the
Soviet Union, which Curtis LeMay wanted to do. And he refused to continue to
pour American troops and money into a fruitless war in Vietnam. He understood
that other nations needed sovereignty and determine their own futures, and he
wanted to help them to do that, not fight them. He refused to participate in
plots to kill foreign leaders that were going on from the administration that
preceded him. And he refused to cooperate with the national security state.
Not far from my house in Anacosta, a few miles down the road in Sutland,
Maryland, is the national archive and records center for the military history
records of the United States from World War II until now. These records are for
the most part classified. They have a reading room where you can read some of
them, but most of them are classified.
They are stored in underground buildings at that site in Sutland, Maryland. Each
of those buildings are an acre in size. There are 27 of those buildings in
Sutland, Maryland, 27 acres of papers and classified documents of your military
history since the end of World War II. Do you think you own America? (If) you
don’t own your own history, you are a conquered people. You let this national
security state scare you away from finding your history, you are a conquered
people, because that’s what conquers do, they take the history away from us.
Now history is passé. We are post literate, post historical, and we’re
becoming post scientific and even post logical in this country. We’re like
Winston in 1984 having a conversation with Simms at the Ministry of Truth.
Simms’ job is to reduce the number of words in the dictionary, so that there
won’t be concepts. If there isn’t a word for it there wouldn’t be a
concept for thought crime. You know, he said, in a few years, Winston, you and I
won’t even be able to have this conversation. Well I can barely have this
conversation cross generationally at this point, because of the history is lost.
I just talked to the DC correspondent for the Nation, 20 year old Eric Lang. I
said I was going to Dallas for a conference on November 22nd. He gave me a blank
stair. I said you don’t know why we go on that date? Do you know the date
April 6th, or the date June 4th, the date February 21st. He didn’t know any of
those dates, the dates on which the other political leaders were killed.…
…And I think it’s important if you want to think you live in a democracy and
be a citizen, you have to be an informed citizen. That’s the way you make
decisions. If you’re not going to be informed you’re in trouble.
We got the JFK Records Act passed, we got 6.5 million pages out, the largest
release in history except for the Nazi (records). We are now pushing for a
Martin Luther King Act, for the life and death of Dr. Martin Luther King, to get
those files lose. But it’s just a pittance, 15.5 million records, not pages,
records, so multiply by at least ten, are buried by the national security state
every year. Bush put over a million records back under classification that had
already been released, while he was in office, and he increased the secrecy and
Obama hasn’t reversed that. And so they continue to bury history at a rate
that we are barely able to reverse.
The Freedom of Information Act changes are like plugging a hole in a rusty
bucket with which you are trying to drain a spring fed lake.
But that’s the core of the problem here.
Jefferson knew that. He said that if given the choice of a government without a
newspaper or a newspaper without a government, he would choose the latter. Why?
Because he knew that information flow was more central to democratic process
than the machinery of government to carry out the people’s will. He knew that
an informed decision was the only thing that meant democracy. And as long as you
can’t be informed, and you can’t know, and this is what Martin Schotz says.
He says the political paralysis in America is due to the fact that we are
allowed to believe everything. Because as long as we can’t know, we can not
act.
But I believe we can know. The truth is not that arcane.
We can’t go back on the excuse that we’ll never know what happened.
We’ll never know who did it. People study it and they study it like a regular
crime, and they can figure it out. You can figure it out if you want to know.
Perhaps you don’t want to know.
Some people say, Oh, you’re John Judge who gives everybody nightmares.
I said, No, I’m the guy who wakes you up and tells you you’re in one. And
you got to get out of that nightmare.
APPLAUSE
It’s our country, it belongs to us. And there’s more of us and we can think.
And that’s the bottom line. They have us divided against each other. They have
us pulling against each other. They have us not trusting or talking to each
other. But in the end it’s because they fear us. They tap our phones because
they’re afraid of us. People ask if I think they tap my phone and I say I hope
so because maybe they’ll learn something.
LAUGHTER APPLAUSE
I wish they’d listen to me.
But this is what America is about. It’s not about mourning or weeping over
these things for 46 years, it’s about saying, no, we don’t accept this, we
aren’t going to live this way, we want to change, and we can change it. They
aren’t going to change it for us. We have to change it from the bottom up. But
if we decide to live with each other, to trust each other, to cross those lines
with each other, and to now, survival with each other because there’s no money
left for those poppers to take care of us obviously. But we have to survive with
each other, but we can because we are in the last stage of monopoly capitalism.
We are at the stage where the corporations merge with the state. This is what
Mussolini called fascism. And it is, only now it is on a global, corporate scale
of fascism.
One aspect of fascism in monopoly capital is that all the resources are
monopolized and all the technology makes labor unnecessary, but in their view,
because they want to hoard that surplus, it also makes all of us expendable to
them. And that is an objective drive towards genocide. They don’t care now
whether labor survives, they don’t need it. By the 1930s miners were told that
if the mine starts to collapse, push the mules out first; it costs money to
replace a mule. That’s the position that we are in on a global scale now. And
they don’t care if any of us survive. In their view, we are dead already. Our
choice is to die on our knees or our feet, to stand up to them or not, to live
or to die. But we can live with each other and cooperate with each other.
Money is nothing but paper. My bank gives me a piece of paper, I give somebody
else a piece of paper at the store, you know, they put the paper in the bank,
they give the paper to the next guy. Let’s just print some paper and get on
with it. We have a lot of things we have to do in the human community.
You know, they can withdraw the credit, and withdraw the money, but there were
communities that prospered in the depression because they got off credit and
money, they issued their own local script, produced their own local need, and
they survived and prospered during that period. We don’t have to be dependent
on this system. And this system can no longer take care of us, nor does it want
to. But we can decide we want to live, we can decide that we want to stand up,
we can decide that we want the truth and we can decide to exercise the rights
that make them real.
They would like us to think that as long as we are told that we have these
rights, we should be so glad that we have them we shouldn’t sully them by
using them. In other words, I should be so happy that I have free speech that I
should sit down and shut up about it.
LAUGHTER
But that’s not what I think. I think you only have the rights that you use.
And the rights that you exercise, that’s how you get rights and that’s how
you keep them. And if you stop exercising them you won’t have them.
Turn off the television. Get a little bit of vitamin D and something called
Sambathol (?) M1N1, an elderberry extract. There’s ways to survive in this
society. And there’s ways for us to have solidarity, and trust and community.
But monopoly capital has now alienated us to the point where our primary
relations with each other are primarily financial instead of human. And it’s
alienated us from every aspect of our human community and sold it back to us in
its most distorted form.
I turned the television off in 1970. I still read. I know it’s subversive
because they keep track of who goes to the library now. But I think it’s a
good idea.
I still try to think. I still have hope. I still believe in people, and I still
want to get at the truth, and I hope you do to.
APPLAUSE
The Coalition on Political Assassinations presents:
OPEN SECRETS: THE ASSASSINATIONS OF THE ‘60s
15th Annual Regional Conference, November 20-22, Dallas, TX
Latest evidence and research, authors, medical and ballistic experts, academics
and researchers into modern political assassinations, including Malcolm X, John
F. Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Resource room with
books, DVDs and digital collections. Films and presentations. Join us.
Speakers:
Dr. Cyril Wecht, M.D., J.D., former president American Academy of Forensic
Sciences
Jim Douglass, author of JFK and the Unspeakable
Walt Brown, author of Master Analytic Chronology: The Death of President Kennedy
Russ Baker, author of Family of Secrets
Ronnie Dugger, former editor of The Texas Observer
John Armstrong, author of Harvey & Lee will be available to sign his book
Randy Benson, award-winning filmmaker, showing excerpts from The Searchers
T Carter, author of an upcoming book Jerry Ray: A Memoir of Injustice
Ben Rogers, curator of the Penn Jones collection at Baylor University
Jim DiEugenio, author of Destiny Betrayed and editor of Probe
Lisa Pease, co-author of The Assassinations and editor of Probe
Robert Groden, author of The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald and Absolute Proof
Doug Valentine, author of The Phoenix Program and The Strength of the Pack
Ed Haslam, author of Dr. Mary’s Monkey and Mary, Ferrie and the Money Virus
Pat Speer, producer of "The Mysterious Death of Number 35”
Chris Pike, researcher into Operation Northwoods and critic Penn Jones, Jr.
Schedule:
Friday, November 20
Early Bird Lunch, 12:00 pm Founder’s Grill, lobby, Hotel Lawrence (214)
761-9090
Dinner, 5:30 pm, Rodeo Grill, Adolphus Hotel, 1321 Commerce Street, (214)
651-3588
COPA keynote speaker, 7:00 pm, Mezzanine level, Adolphus Hotel
Movies, 10:00 pm, Second floor Rear, Hotel Lawrence, Houston & Jackson Sts.
Resource room open on 2nd floor rear Friday to Sunday, books and DVDs, authors
Saturday, November 21
Speakers 9:00 am – 5:00 pm, Second floor Rear, Hotel Lawrence
Movies 10:00 pm, Second floor Rear
Hotel Lawrence, Houston & Jackson Sts.
Sunday, November 22 46th anniversary
Speakers and discussions 9:00 am – 12:00 pm, Second floor Rear
Hotel Lawrence, Houston & Jackson Sts.
12:30 pm Moment of Silence
Commemorating the Assassination of President Kennedy
Grassy Knoll, Dealey Plaza, speakers following
Union Station and West End stations on DART rail. All events open to public.
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Were
Castro Plots Hatched at Glen Ora? – By William Kelly
In his Washingtonian article on RFK and the plots to kill Castro, Evan Thomas
wrote “…. ‘Please don't expect that any one of these things is going to be
a catalyst'," recalled Ted Shackley, the Miami station chief, quoting the
CIA’s Cuban covert operations chief Desmond Fitzgerald, “But FitzGerald felt
under pressure to make these things work, and the pressure came from Robert
Kennedy. He'd say, ‘I saw Bobby,' or ‘I ran into Bobby. I saw him in
Middleburg. Here's what we got to crank up for next month.' We would say,
tactfully. We can make it work. But the question is, will these events bring
Castro down?’” (1)
“I saw him in Middleburg. Here’s what we got to crank up for next month,”
is what Fitzgerald is quoted as saying about where the plans were drawn up for
the CIA’s covert operations against Cuba. Middleburg.
Middleburg, Virginia, is an old and historic town a few hours drive west of
Washington, in upper crust Virginia horse country, where you need two hundred
acres to build a house, and the location of Glen Ora, a large horse farm, leased
by the President elect Kennedy as a weekend retreat. But is it where the plots
against Castro were hatched before they backfired at Dealey Plaza?
Des Fitz is quoted as telling Halpern that it was RFK who was ratcheting up the
anti-Castro plots, that “I ran into Bobby. I saw him at Middleburg. Here’s
what we got to crank up for next month….”
Looking at the official Presidential schedule, Glen Ora was a frequent
destination for President Kennedy, both by helicopter, approximately 25 minutes
from the White House lawn, or by car, a two hour drive. (2)
Middleburg and Glen Ora were JFK’s concession to his wife Jackie, a horse
women who fit nicely into the stiff, reserved, blue blood upper crust Middleburg
hunt club society. (3)
The Kennedys spent weekends in the fall and winter at Glen Ora, even during the
Cuban Missile Crisis when Kennedy tried to maintain his normal agenda, and he
continued to the run nation’s business from Glen Ora up until his death, and
if these reports are correct, he may have planned the operations there that
ultimately led to his murder. (4)
Glen Ora was owned by Mrs. Gladys Raymond Tartiere, who it is said, was
persuaded to lease her estate to Kennedy by William Walton, a mutual friend, and
former Time-Life war correspondent. (5)
The Kennedys seemed to like Glen Ora and Middleburg, and wanted to own a home
there, rather than lease one, but as Clark Clifford mentions in his memoirs,
Mrs. Tartiere “did not wish to sell.” (6)
So they purchased some land nearby and lived at Glen Ora during the construction
of their own home, which they called Wexford, named after the town of
Kennedy’s Irish roots. While at Glen Ora, they tried to enjoy life outside of
the Washington limelight. As Sally B. Smith wrote “…For Jack’s
forty-fourth birthday on May 29, Jackie conspired with Paul Fout to create a
three-hold golf course at Glen Ora – ‘rather long & difficult ones –
so it will be a challenge to play and not just so easy that one gets tired of
it.’ To further amuse Jack, she asked that the holes have Confederate flags
that would ‘not be visible from the road.’ The Bradlees visited Glen Ora on
May 20 for a birthday celebration, and Ben and JFK inaugurated the course, which
had grown to four holes ‘9,000 square yards of pasture, filled with small
hills, big rocks, and even a swamp,’ Bradlee recalled. JFK ‘shot the course
record, a thirty-seven for four holes.’” (7)
Glen Ora had an interesting history, especially the background of its owners. As
Tom Scully notes, “Gladys Rosenthal Byfield Tartiere. Aka Mrs. Raymond
Tartiere, had been the JFK family's ‘landlady’ since late 1960, when she
leased her 400 acres, Middleburg, VA estate, ‘Glen Ora’, to JFK and
Jackie.” Her son Byfield, Jr. “was a US Army Captain in WWII, a member of
OSS S1, according to the memoirs of David KE Bruce. In 1943, Byfield was the
best man in the wedding of William H.G. Fitzgerald, Lt. Cmdr, USN, and later a
philanthropist and US Ambassador to Ireland.” (8)
William Henry Gerald Fitzgerald is husband of Mary Ellen and the father of
Desmond Fitzgerald, who is still living in Connecticut, and not the CIA officer.
It would be interesting if it could be determined if the two Desmond FitzGeralds
are related, and if Desmond FitzGerald of the CIA was indeed a cousin of JFK,
related through the FitzGerald side (See: The Kennedys & the Fitzgeralds).
Desmond FitzGerald of the CIA is the son of Harold and Eleanor FitzGearld. He
was the CIA officer assigned to run the Cuban operations, and was close to RFK.
The son of JFK’s landlady, Gladys Rosenthal Byfield Tartiere, Ernest Byfield,
Jr. was an OSS hand under David Bruce and the best man at the wedding of William
H. G. Fitzgerald. (9)
Byfield, Jr. was also associated with Henry Crown and the General Dynamics
contract for the F-111, and may have had something to do with Bobby and Billy
Hale’s breaking into the apartment of Judith Campbell Exner’s Los Angeles
apartment. Exner, who had married golf pro Dan Exner, had previously been the
cut-out between JFK and Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana before the election, and
it was Giancana who was involved with John Rosselli and Carlos Marcello in the
early CIA plots to kill Castro. Bobby and Billy Hale’s father, I. B. Hale, was
a former pro football player and FBI agent who was head of security at General
Dynamics.
The Hale twins reportedly broke into Exner’s apartment and placed a
wiretapping bug while it was under surveillance by the FBI, but when the FBI ran
a trace on the Hale’s car, and discovered their father was I.B. Hale, friend
of J. Edgar Hover, they never acted on it, though there’s records of this
incident in the official files.
[For more on the Hale Twins, see:
http://outside.away.com/outside/culture/200812/robert-allen-hale-papa-pilgrim-4.html]
Joseph Califano, the assistant to the Secretary of the Army who worked with the
Army support for the CIA’s covert operations against Cuba, said that the
military had bugged the White House and overheard all of JFK’s private
conversations about Cuba, which makes one wonder if they also bugged Glen Ora
and knew what plans were made there as well.
Then, in a final irony, former Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, who awarded
the contract to General Dynamics, married Diana Masieri Byfield in 2004, when he
was 92 and she was 74. (10)
There’s also the current owner of Glen Ora, Gladys Tartiere’s daughter
Elaine Broadhead, who has used the estate in order to promote some of her
radical enterprises, including the founding of the Green Party in the USA. (11).
But most significant, I think, is the allegations by Evan Thomas, that Desmond
Fitzgerald, when he was head of the Cuban operations at the CIA, met with RFK at
Glen Ora and planned attacks against Castro and Cuba while there. (12)
Thomas writes, “…The last of the CIA's plots to kill Castro is a truly weird
tale. Following the Bay of Pigs fiasco, President Kennedy deputized his brother
(also his attorney general) Robert Kennedy to personally oversee the CIA's
campaign against Castro. Typical of the Kennedy administration's highly informal
style, Bobby Kennedy bypassed CIA Director John McCone and demanded regular
progress reports from Desmond FitzGerald, a dashing CIA officer who became head
of the CIA Special Affairs Staff (SAS) at the beginning of 1963, charged with
doing whatever he could to eliminate the Cuban leader. The bizarre events that
were to unfold have fueled generations of Kennedy assassination conspiracy
theorists.”
“The winter FitzGerald took over the Cuban operation, he made clear to his
troops that he wanted results. FitzGerald's executive officer, Sam Halpern,
tried to show him an organizational chart of the Special Affairs Staff, but
FitzGerald said he didn't want to see it; he didn't want to be bothered with
bureaucratic detail. ‘But Des. . .,’ Halpern protested. ‘You do it,’
said FitzGerald. He refused to sign the chart or even look at it.”
“During the summer and early fall, five commando raids were launched against
Castro's economic infrastructure, in the hopes of "destabilizing" the
regime. The raids were costly: Twenty-five CIA agents, Cuban exiles recruited as
commandos, were killed or captured. Though it was doubtful that the commandos
would bring down Castro by knocking down some telephone poles or by petty acts
of sabotage (the negligible Cuban underground was instructed to leave faucets
running and light bulbs burning to waste energy), FitzGerald was determined to
keep trying.”
“We were saying, ‘Please don't expect that any one of these things is going
to be a catalyst’,’ recalled Ted Shackley, the Miami station chief. ‘But
FitzGerald felt under pressure to make these things work, and the pressure came
from Robert Kennedy. He'd say, ‘I saw Bobby,’ or ‘I ran into Bobby. I saw
him in Middleburg. Here's what we got to crank up for next month.’ We would
say, tactfully. We can make it work. But the question is, will these events
bring Castro down?’”
“Halpern said he began to ‘dread coming in to work in the morning,’
especially Monday mornings after FitzGerald had all weekend to “run into”
Kennedy and think up his own schemes—‘all these harebrained ideas,’ as
Halpern described a series of plots that would seem like black comedy when they
surfaced later during the Church Committee hearings. ‘[Bobby],’ said Halpern
bluntly, ‘reinforced [FitzGerald's] worst instincts.’”
“By the time FitzGerald took over the Cuba operation, the CIA had pretty well
given up on using the mob. The plots of Bill Harvey, FitzGerald's predecessor as
head of the Cuba group, to enlist the Mafia had gone nowhere.”
Indeed, it was no longer William Harvey, Johnny Rosselli, the mob and the CIA,
it was the Des Fits of the CIA and the Department of Defense, the United States
Army, specifically Joe Califano and General Krulak who were coordinating covert
operations against Cuba with the CIA.
And one of their “contingency plans for a coup in Cuba” was being based on a
study of the Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler and take over the Third Reich that
failed, a plan that included revising the continuity of government plans and
blaming the assassination on Communists.
If this was one of the plans discussed at Glen Ora, it wasn’t Bobby Kennedy
telling Des Fitz what the next operation was to be, it was Des Fitz telling RFK
and JFK what they were going to do to get rid of Castro, the Valkyrie
contingency that was ultimately flipped and resulted not in the death of Castro,
but what happened at Dealey Plaza.
- William Kelly bkjfk3@yahoo.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/08/AR2006010801019.html
Footnotes
(1) Evan Thomas, Washington Monthly, Dec., 1995 Bobby Kennedy’s war on Castro
– CIA plot to kill Fidel Castro.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n12_v27/ai_17828366/
(2) Timeline of Glen Ora History:
http://www.google.com/search?q=glen+ora+history&hl=en&sa=G&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=bsCgSt3gCd_JlQflv5zEDg&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11
Jan 20, 1963 - Kennedy from going Saturday to Glen Ora, their leased near
Middleburg. Va. The Kennedys had planned lo eave by helicopter early in the for
Glen Ora but finally gave up the trip around 4 pm of the Cog. ' Malcolm Kilduff,
an assistant White Rouse press secretary, said,…From Kennedys Call Off Trip to
Glen Ora
pqasb.pqarchiver.com/courant/access/938155732 ...
3) Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis: A Life By Donald Spoto, p. 169
“…Walton went out to see his old friend Gladys Tartiere, who owned Glen Ora,
a four-hundred-acre estate near Middleburg, Virginia, about an hour from the
White House. Jackie, who saw photos while she was in the hospital, liked the
French-style mansion, the gardens, lawns, woods and pastures and the expansive
acres for riding. She judged the place even more appealing than Merrywood and
convinced her husband to apply for the lease. But Mrs. Tartiere was not at all
enchanted with the idea of the First Family as tenants: she foresaw the Secret
Service, the press and vast numbers of visitors roaming all over, and hence all
sorts of potential damage to her estate. Already, wherever the Kennedys went,
the Secret Service was sure to go, sending messages back and
forth….Eventually, after considerable coaxing from Walton and Clark Clifford,
one of Kennedy’s attorneys and advisors, Mrs. Tartiere agreed – but only to
a one-year lease. The Kennedys took it sight unseen and furnished. At Glen Ora,
Jackie escaped the pressures of Washington; there, she trained Caroline to ride,
too, and there she was, as nearby residents said, “Just one of the fox
hunters.”
4) The former wife of Hoy's late employer, Gladys Rosenthal Byfield Tartiere
(Mrs. Raymond F. Tartiere) supposedly leased, with great reluctance, her 400
acre Middleburg, VA estate, "Glen Ora", to serve as the JFK family's
"week end White House", from late 1960 until March, 1963. JFK shut
down the 1961 Bay of Pigs CIA "Op", from Glen Ora.
5) Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis: A Life - Page 169 by Donald Spoto
- Biography & Autobiography - 2000 - 416 pages
http://books.google.com/books?ei=fR9fSd71E...nG=Search+Books
"Eventually, after considerable coaxing from Walton and Clark Clifford, one
of
Kennedy's attorneys and advisers, Mrs. Tartiere agreed — but only to a
..."; also see:
America's Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis - Page 203
by Sarah Bradford - Biography & Autobiography - 2000 - 640 pages
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&q=...sa=N&tab=wp
"Bill Walton came up with Glen Ora, the property of his friend Gladys
Tartiere,
... her photographs of the place; she liked it and rented it sight unseen.
..."
(6) Counsel to the President: A Memoir - Page 362 by Clark M. Clifford,
Richard C. Holbrooke - Biography & Autobiography - 1991 - 709 pages
“Walton soon located a beautiful four-hundred- acre estate called Glen Ora,
...There was only one problem: its owner, Gladys Tartiere, did not wish to sell
..."
(7) Grace and Power: The Private World of the Kennedy White House By Sally
Bedell Smith. P. 201
(8) Tom Scully: Byfield Jr. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w...mp;aq=f&oq=
(9) Philanthropist William H.G. FitzGerald Monday, January 9, 2006
William H.G. FitzGerald, 96, a Washington-based private investor who was active
in philanthropies and served as ambassador to Ireland from 1992 to 1993, died
Jan. 5 at George Washington University Hospital. He had an aortic aneurysm.
Mr. FitzGerald, a District resident, was involved in housing projects in the
Washington area starting around 1940 and later was chairman of North American
Housing Corp., which made modular homes.
He also was a senior partner at the investment firm of Hornblower, Weeks,
Hemphill & Noyes and vice chairman of Financial General Bankshares, a
multistate bank holding company.
William Henry Gerald FitzGerald was a Boston native and a 1931 graduate of the
U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, where he played baseball. After brief Navy
service, he attended Harvard Law School before embarking on a business career.
He returned to the Navy during World War II. From 1958 to 1960, he was deputy
director for management of the International Cooperation Administration, which
became the U.S. Agency for International Development.
In 1987, he started high school scholarships for inner-city children in the
Catholic archdiocese of Washington. At the Washington Tennis Foundation, he
established a program to mentor inner-city children. The William H.G. FitzGerald
Tennis Center is named in his honor.
He also was a benefactor of the Naval Academy, where he and his wife started a
program to send midshipmen to Oxford University for postgraduate study.
He was a former vice chairman of the congressionally mandated African
Development Foundation, trustee of the Corcoran Gallery of Art, chairman of the
White House Preservation Fund and treasurer of the Atlantic Council of the
United States, an international affairs group. He was the senior member of the
Order of Malta, a lay religious order of the Catholic church.
He was a member of the University Club in Washington for 71 years.
In 1949, he founded the FitzGerald Cup, an annual squash tournament between
Baltimore and Washington.
He was an active tennis player until age 93.
Survivors include his wife of 63 years, Annelise Petschek FitzGerald of
Washington; two children, Desmond FitzGerald of Greenwich, Conn., and Anne F.
Slichter of Champaign, Ill.; and five grandchildren.
(10) The Overlooked Irony of JFK Defense Secretary Robert S McNamara's 2004
marriage to Diana Masieri Byfield. 78232, Posted by T James Scully, Wed
Dec-31-69 05:00 PM
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=3&topic_id=78232&mesg_id=78232
It's been 4 years since the September/December marriage of former US Secretary
of Defense, Robert S. McNamara, now 92, to Diana Masieri Byfield, 74.
The irony is the fact that McNamara himself may not even be aware of his recent
bride's proximity to one of the controversies of the 1960's that McNamara is
forever tainted by. McNamara claimed in 1963 to have been responsible,
ultimately, for the decision to award the (at the time) $6 billion, TFX
"joint fighter" defense contract to the financially distressed, at
that time, General Dynamics.
The contract award was questioned because Boeing had underbid the General
Dynamics/Grumman bid by $1 billion, and a consequence was the forced
resignation, of Navy Secretary, Fred Korth, on November 1, 1963. Just a year
earlier, Korth had been the president of a Texas bank that was exposed to $200
million in outstanding loans to General Dynamics. General Dynamics had merged in
1959 with Chicago financier Henry Crown's Material Service Corp. After the
merger, Crown (late father of an early and principal Obama presidential campaign
supporter, Lester Crown, listed on Forbes 400 in 2008 with $4.8 billion net
worth....) was the largest General Dynamic's stockholder, owning 20 percent of
total shares, and by 1963, he was also chairman.
(11) George Archibald - Christmas in Middleburg - December 16, 2006
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-archibald/christmas-in-middleburg_b_36517.html
The prelude to Christmas in this historic small Virginia foxhunting and
racehorse town near Washington, D.C. has been a panorama of exciting visual and
musical events….
….Middleburg is the town where President John F. Kennedy and First Lady
Jacqueline Kennedy rented Glen Ora Farm to get away from the Nation´s Capital
an hour away by car so Mrs. Kennedy could ride and go hunting in the nation's
premiere foxhunting community -- which People for Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)
folks don´t mention in their trampling of people´s rights to hunt for sport.
It´s ironic that Elaine Broadhead, daughter of Mrs. Raymond Tartiere, who
rented Glen Ora Farm to JFK and Jackie in 1961, has used the farm she inherited
from her parents over the past several years to host a guerilla warfare training
center for the Ruckus Society folks who show up at all the World Bank meetings
everywhere to stage violent demonstrations and protests against free enterprise
and economic capitalism.
The Ruckus folks are intolerant of free enterprise and business generally, even
though their wine-sipping leftist sponsors and supporters (such as Elaine
Broadhead) are rich and live in luxury because of free enterprise and capitalist
business success…..
The last of the CIA's plots to kill Castro is a truly weird tale. Following the
Bay of Pigs fiasco, President Kennedy deputized his brother (also his attorney
general) Robert Kennedy to personally oversee the CIA's campaign against Castro.
Typical of the Kennedy administration's highly informal style, Bobby Kennedy
bypassed CIA Director John McCone and demanded regular progress reports from
Desmond FitzGerald, a dashing CIA officer who became head of the CIA Special
Affairs Staff (SAS) at the begining of 1963, charged with doing whatever he
could to eliminate the Cuban leader. The bizarre events that were to unfold have
fueled generations of Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorists.
The winter FitzGerald took over the Cuban operation, he made clear to his troops
that he wanted results. FitzGerald's executive officer, Sam Halpern, tried to
show him an organizational chart of the Special Affairs Staff, but FitzGerald
said he didn't want to see it; he didn't want to be bothered with bureaucratic
detail. "But Des. . .," Halpern protested. "You do it," said
FitzGerald. He refused to sign the chart or even look at it.
During the summer and early fall, five commando raids were launched against
Castro's economic infrastructure, in the hopes of "destabilizing" the
regime. The raids were costly: Twenty-five CIA agents, Cuban exiles recruited as
commandos, were killed or captured. Though it was doubtful that the commandos
would bring down Castro by knocking down some telephone poles or by petty acts
of sabotage (the negligible Cuban underground was instructed to leave faucets
running and light bulbs burning to waste energy), FitzGerald was determined to
keep trying.
"We were saying, `Please don't expect that any one of these things is going
to be a catalyst'," recalled Ted Shackley, the Miami station chief.
"But FitzGerald felt under pressure to make these things work, and the
pressure came from Robert Kennedy. He'd say, `I saw Bobby,' or `I ran into
Bobby. I saw him in Middleburg. Here's what we got to crank up for next month.'
We would say, tactfully. We can make it work. But the question is, will these
events bring Castro down?'"
Halpern said he began to "dread coming in to work in the morning,"
especially Monday mornings after FitzGerald had all weekend to "run
into" Kennedy and think up his own schemes--"all these harebrained
ideas," as Halpern described a series of plots that would seem like black
comedy when they surfaced later during the Church Committee hearings.
"[Bobby]," said Halpern bluntly, "reinforced [FitzGerald's] worst
instincts."
By the time FitzGerald took over the Cuba operation, the CIA had pretty well
given up on using the mob. The plots of Bill Harvey, FitzGerald's predecessor as
head of the Cuba group, to enlist the Mafia had gone nowhere.
This
is the introduction to the unpublished manuscript I wrote with the grant from
the Fund for Constitutional Government Investigative Journalism Project (circa
1994), with the addition of Gibson and a few other items. I will continue to
expand on this theme, and would appreciate any corrections, critiques or
feedback. - BK
THE DIVINE SKEIN AT DEALEY PLAZA
PSYCHO or PSYOP? FREUD verses SUN TZU
By William Kelly
The assassination of President John F. Kennedy remains a Watershed event in
modern American history, the ramifications of which have yet to be fully
realized. The details of the crime, the acoustics, ballistics, autopsy and
medical evidence are covered elsewhere. This report and the ones that follow
concern the covert intelligence operations that resulted in the murder of the
president and the black propaganda operations that continue to this day,
manipulating the news and judicial system to shield those responsible.
The time and the place – 12:30 p.m., Friday, November 22, 1963, Houston and
Elm streets, Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas, are notched in our national
subconscious, and the picture of that square acre of time and place are etched
in our collective memories.
If Dealey Plaza were pictured as a giant mosaic wall mural, broken into pieces
like a puzzle, we would have a pretty good idea of what occurred there. Only a
few pieces are still missing – the faces in the shadows, the names of the
mangers pulling the strings of the puppets and pawns, details unnecessary to
understand the nature of the plot.
Although there are many theories as to what happened in Dealey Plaza on that
day, the e
vents
as they actually occurred only happened one way, and it is the responsibility of
the
independent
researchers, journalists, professors and historians to determine that truth as
close
as possible.
Some people might consider the crime ancient history, even though it is such a
current
event
that indictments can still be brought down for those responsible for crimes, if
not
homicide
and conspiracy, then obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence and
perjury.
Besides
the issues concerning the accuracy of our historical perspective, truth and the
pursuit
of justice, it is important to know for oneself whether the death of the
president
was
an unplanned, spontaneous act of a lone madman or a very well planned and
executed
coup
d’etat.
John F. Kennedy was either killed by a deranged lone-nut, as the official Warren
Commission
concluded,
or he was the victim of a covert action team of clandestine agents, as much of
the
evidence suggests. The truth is either one way or the other, but cannot be both.
If the assassination of JFK was the work of a lone-nut madman, the lessons to be
learned
from
the tragedy are far less significant than if Kennedy was killed as part of a
coup, as the
ramifications
stem into the realms of truth, justice, responsibility and national security.
Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of analysis, a competent homicide
investigation
would
proceed first by assuming that JFK was killed as an act of elimination. An
understanding
of
current events and the details of the crime also suggest that what happened at
Dealey Plaza
was
not only the product of a conspiracy, but by a much more clearly defined MO –
Modus
Operandi
– that of a covert intelligence operation.
Although anyone with the training and knowledge can conduct such operations, the
murder
of
the president, because of the extensive cover-up that occurred after the fact,
must have had
its
origin in the very heart of the U.S. government. If it was an independent
operation, a renegade
group
or the work of foreigners, those responsible would have been pursued to the ends
of
the earth. Instead, the evidence leads directly inside the government itself.
Those responsible
for
what happened at Dealey Plaza took over the government and controlled the
investigation
of
the crime.
But because the modus-operandi MO – is that of a covert operation, by its very
name and
nature
is meant to be hidden and concealed, so as to protect the real sponsors, in
order to
see
it you must look at it through a special spectrum. This ‘crystal ball’ is
similar to an onion,
an
analogy John Judge likes to use, as it has layers of deception that must be
pealed off, r
evealing
layers of truth, and can only be understood if you are educated in the history
and
trained
in the crafts and techniques covert intelligence operations.
Allen Dulles' book The Craft of Intelligence was published in 1963, and
was the book that he
was
promoting when he visited Dallas shortly before the assassination. In it Dulles
notes that
the
biographical method of study is a good way to learn and understand practically
any subject. Pick a person and learn everything you can possibly know about
them. Note 1.
And he suggests that Sun Tsu’s book The Art of War is very special and
worthy of attention.
2.
As for biographies, Lee Harvey Oswald is one of the first characters you have to
come to know
in
order to understand the assassination. The primary, but not first suspect,
Oswald “is your
man,”
as LBJ told the Dallas authorities, and no conspiracy, so the official
investigators pretty
much
handed the American public the head of Oswald on a platter.
While a typical homicide investigator on the street may not have the historical
background or
training
in intelligence operations, and may not have the investigative resources federal
governmental
agencies have at their disposal, a common man’s instincts will tell you
something
and
lead you to clues worth pursing. Every homicide investigator begins with a body,
and a
suspect
who can usually be identified as one who had the means, motive and opportunity
to
commit
the crime. We have that with John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Their paths crossed at Dealey Plaza, an intersection out of the Twilight Zone,
one that we
keep
going back to see if we went in the right direction when we left there.
Oswald had the means, the U.S. Marine Corps training, the experience and the
tools - the
ability
to kill. He also had the opportunity since he worked in a building at the scene
of the
crime,
which makes JFK one of the few assassination victims who, rather than being
stalked
by
his assassin, is delivered to the window his killer.
The problem with Oswald is that he did not have a motive. He actually liked JFK.
Not even the
Warren
Commission, even though they concluded Oswald was the assassin, could determine
a
motive for the murder. 3.
But the more you learn about Oswald, rather than finding the psychotic,
homicidal maniac,
you
realize he was merely a pawn in a much bigger game of power politics, a game
that
continues
to this day.
Although Oswald may have been a loner, he was seldom alone and not deranged. He
was
definitely
an operative agent, although exactly who he was an agent for has yet to be
precisely
determined,
but can be.
At an early meeting of the Warren Commission Allen Dulles handed out copies of a
book he
recommended
the other Commissioners read - Robert Donovan's The Assassins. 4.
Donovan’s The Assassins purports to show how American assassins are all
psychologically
deranged
loners, but commissioner John J. McCloy called Dulles on this notion, pointing
out
that
Lincoln’s assassination was a conspiracy since co-conspirators were hung along
with
John
Wilkes Booth.
But Dulles paraphrases Donovan, the author of the book, saying that Booth was
such a
dominating
person in the plot that it almost wasn’t a conspiracy.
And Dulles wasn’t the first to suggest the accused assassin was crazy, as
Donald Gibson
points
out in, JFK Assassination Cover-up (Donald Gibson. P.99), which also gets
into the
Dulles-McCloy
exchange over the Lincoln conspiracy. 5.
It is worth quoting Gibson as he writes:
...As was noted earlier, James Reston had suggested, less than 24 hours after
the assassination
,
that this act was committed by one person and that it reflected a “strain of
madness” in the
country.
The New York Herald Tribune had editorialized on November 23 that the assassins
in
the United States are typically “crazed individuals” and are “real
lunatics.” On November
25,
the Wall Street Journal asserted that assassins are “idiots” and suffering
with “hysteria.”
Also,
in Dallas, Mayor Earle Cabell was quoted in the November 23 Dallas Morning News
describing
the assassination as the work of a maniac, as an “irrational act” of a
“deranged
mind.”
As documented earlier, this was not the view of the police officials or the
district
attorney.
(Allen) Dulles was the former head of the Central Intelligence Agency. He had
the experience
in
intelligence work and in international affairs. He was one of the most
sophisticated men in
the
world. Later, we will discuss the relationship between Dulles and the other
early sources
of
the lone-nut theory. This man probably was not just repeating what he had seen
in the
newspapers,
unless what was appearing in the media immediately after the assassination
and
what he tried to impose on the Commission had a common source.
On December 5, (Earl) Warren briefly mentioned the mental illness issue. He then
also
brought
this up and he began but did not get to finish a description of a book he had
been
reading
which focused on “the psychiatric angle.”
On December 16, Dulles was far more aggressive in his promotion of this
“angle.” Dulles
was
handing out copies of a book which analyzed seven previous attempts on the lives
of
U.S.
Presidents. Dulles was giving this book to members of the Commission and to the
Commission’s
lawyers. As indicated by Dulles, the theme of the book was that such
attempts
were typically the acts of lone individuals, usually individuals with mental
disorders.
The book that Dulles was pushing was The Assassins by Robert J. Donovan.
Although
Dulles did not identify it, the Donovan book was published in the year mentioned
by
Dulles as the publication year and Donovan’s book contains a statement that is
almost
identical
to something said by Dulles.
In response to a comment from McCloy that there was a plot in the Lincoln
assassination,
Dulles
noted that that was true “but one man was so dominant it almost wasn’t a
plot.” In his
book,
Donovan, who was in 1963 the New York Herald Tribune’s Washington bureau
chief,
argued
that in the U.S., assassinations were the work of individuals and he went on to
say:
This was true even in the Lincoln assassination, in which, though other
conspirators were
involved,
Booth was the moving spirit and dominated his accomplices to such an extent
that
the plot was the product of one man’s will.”
The implication of this is that if conspiracies have leaders, they aren’t
conspiracies! Donovan’s
analysis
contained another ingredient that was important in Dulles’s proffered
conclusions
about
the assassination, i.e., that the assassins were usually crazy. Donovan’s
conclusion:
By and large the true story behind the assassination and attempted
assassinations of
American
presidents is that the assassins not only were lone operators, but were, most of
them,
men suffering from mental disease, who pulled the trigger in the grip of
delusion...
When Donovan later wrote the introduction of the Popular Library Edition of The
Warren
Commission
Report on the Assassination of President Kennedy, he applied his
generalization
to
the Kennedy assassination:
“For the murder of President Kennedy was so horrifying, so senseless, so
heart-rending that
the
act was difficult to comprehend in terms of the average person’s experience.
To anyone
who
happened to know the history of assassinations of American Presidents, Lee
Harvey
Oswald
conformed remarkably to the pattern of obscure misfits, loners, fanatics, cranks
and
mentally
deranged and deluded men who committed these historic crimes. Indeed he even
bore
a vague physical resemblance to them.”
“To millions everywhere, however, the crime in Dallas was too momentous in all
its
implications
to
be accepted as the pitifully simple thing it was, the solitary act of a deranged
and
deteriorating
wanderer, taking his revenge on the world by destroying one of its finest living
figures.
Surely, it seemed to many – especially to many abroad – there MUST be a
further
explanation,
a more complex cause, a plot, a conspiracy.”
Donovan uses about eight different terms to suggest that Oswald was a lone nut.
The
official
line that developed during the hours immediately following the assassination had
not
changed; it was restated with even greater emphasis by Donovan.
Donovan was not your everyday journalist. Although he never graduated from
college,
he
was the Washington correspondent for the New York Herald Tribune, and later the
LA
Times,
and had written the best seller “PT 109,” that was made into a movie. 6.
Donovan’s Assassins was published in 1955 (Harper, NY), and after
Dulles’ genuflection,
he
also wrote the introduction to A Concise Compendium of the Warren Commission
Report
(Popular Library, NY, 1964), which continued promoting the lone-nut thesis. 7.
The attempt to attribute psychological motives to the accused assassin
continues, and
many
millions of words have been written on the subject, with Donovan’s original
seven
case
studies being expanded to over eighty subjects included in the Secret Service
Exceptional
Case Study. 8.
One of the problems with all of these official academic psychological studies of
assassins
is
they accept the false premise that Oswald was the assassin of President Kennedy,
when
in
fact it can be reasonably demonstrated that he was what he claimed to be – a
Patsy.
So
these authorative studies are of one animal - the Patsy, when they wrongfully
assumed
they
were studying another animal - the Assassin. 9.
Whether assassin or fall-guy, Oswald was a covert intelligence operative, and in
fact he sets
the
mold for what I call the Covert Operative Profile that can be used in the
analysis of
political
assassins, just as the academic studies profile psychotics. 10.
Rather than use Donovan’s The Assassins as a primer on political
assassinations for the
Warren
Commissioners, Dulles should have handed out copies of Sun Tzu’s The Art of
War,
which he recommends highly in The Craft of Intelligence for anyone who
wants to try
to
understand the arcane world of clandestine espionage and covert intelligence
operations.
Just as psychotic assassins are described by armchair psychoanalists as various
types
of
paranoid skidso maniacs, covert operators can also be defined more precisely by
the
type of secret agents they are.
In his book The Craft of Intelligence Dulles elaborates on this theme
when he writes,
“In
a chapter of The Art of War called the ‘Employment of Secret Agents,’
Sun Tzu gives
the
basics of espionage as it was practiced in 400 B.C. by the Chinese – much as
it is
practiced
today. He says there are five kinds of agents: native, inside, double,
expendable
and
living. ‘Native’ and ‘inside’ agents are similar to what we shall later
call ‘agents in
place.’
‘Double,’ a term still used today, is an enemy agent who has been captured,
turned
around and sent back where he came from as an agent of his captors.
‘Expendable
agents’ are a Chinese subtlety which we later touch upon in considering
deception
techniques. They are agents through whom false information is leaked to
the
enemy. Sun Tzu says they are expendable because the enemy will probably kill
them
when he finds out their information was faulty. ‘Living’ agents to Sun Tzu
are
later-day
‘penetration agents.’ They reach the enemy, get information and manage to
get
back alive.”
There are many different English translations of Sun Tzu’s The Art of War
but Dulles notes,
“For
my remarks on Sun Tzu I am indebted to the recent excellent translation of the
Art of
War
with commentaries by General Sam Griffith (Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1963).” 11.
Dulles continues: “To Sun Tzu belongs the credit not only for this remarkable
analysis
of
the ways of espionage but also for the first written recommendations regarding
an
organized
intelligence service. He points out that the master of intelligence will employ
all
five kinds of agents simultaneously; he calls this the ‘Divine Skein.’ The
analogy is to
a
fish nest consisting of many strands all joined to a single cord. And this by no
means
exhausts
Sun Tzu’s contribution. He comments on counter-intelligence, on psychological
warfare,
on deception, on security, on fabricators, in short, on the whole craft of
intelligence.
It
is no wonder that Sun Tzu’s book is a favorite of Mao Tse-tung and is required
reading
for
Chinese Communist tacticians. In their conduct of military campaigns and of
intelligence
collection,
they clearly put into practice the teachings of Sun Tzu.”
“Espionage of the sort recommended by Sun Tzu,” writes Dulles, “which did
not depend
upon
spirits or gods, was, of course, practiced in the West in ancient times also,
but not
with
the same degree of sophistication as in the East; nor was there in the West the
same
sense
of craft or code of rules so that one generation could build on the experiences
of
another.”
Today, the same crafts and techniques are used, just as they were used centuries
ago
by
Sun Tzu. There have been advances however, not only in the crafts and techniques
of
espionage, but also in the technique of criminal profiling, a new tool in which
criminal
behavior
is categorized in a similar way.
The category Oswald belongs to, since he should not be among the psychotics
studied
by
the academics, is the Covert Operative Personality, which also includes other
rogues
of
similar persuasion – Feliz Rodriguez, Frank Forini Sturgis, Gerry Patrick
Hemming,
Richard
Case Nagel, Michael Townley, Frank Terpel, El Nosair Sayyid, Ali Mohammad, et.
al.
The Covert Operational Profile fits those who are military trained, usually
USMC, and
from
a military family, fluent in a foreign language, can travel extensively,
maintains
safe
house and dead drops, is familiar with codes, ciphers and covert communication
techniques,
works on an operational need-to-know basis and does not talk about any
clandestine
affairs.
Of course Allen Dulles recognized these traits in Oswald, the primary suspect,
but instead
of
Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, as Dulles recommends in the very beginning of
The Craft of I
ntelligence,
he promotes Donovan’s psychotic assassins.
In The Craft of Intelligence Dulles wrote: “But in the craft of
intelligence the East was
ahead
of the West in 400 B.C. Rejecting the oracles and the seers, who may well have
played
an important role in still earlier epochs of Chinese history, Sun Tzu takes a
more
practical
view.”
“What is called ‘foreknowledge’ cannot be elicited from spirits, nor from
gods, nor by
analogy
with past events, nor from calculations,” he wrote. “It must be obtained
from men
who
know the situation.” [See: Note 16]
In “The Art of War,” Sun Tzu wrote about The Employment of Secret Agents.
“Now the
reason
the enlightened prince and the wise general conquer the enemy wherever they
move,
and their achievements surpass those of ordinary men, is foreknowledge.”
Sun Tzu: “Now there are five sorts of secret agents to be employed. These are
native,
inside,
double, expendable and living. A native agent is one of the nationality of the
enemy.
An
inside agent is one who lives and works in the enemy camp. A double agent is an
enemy
agent who works for both sides. An expendable agent is one that can be cut loose
after
achieving his goal. A living agent is one that can get into the enemy camp and
return
with
information. When these five types of agents are all working simultaneously and
none
knows
their method of operation, they are called ‘The Divine Skein,’ and are the
treasure
of
the sovereign.”
Although satellite and communication intelligence have become more significant
in today’s
world
of espionage, the nature of the clandestine network in action – the “Divine
Skein” is
still
the most reliable means of learning the intentions of other people and
governments
and
acting covertly against them.
In this regard, little has changed since the days of Sun Tzu. The same type of
agents are
classified
and utilized today, as they were in the ancient Chinese dynasties as well as on
November
22, 1963 at Dealey Plaza. Now their means and method is known as “covert
intelligence
operations,” and are “compartmentalized” on a “need to know” basis, so
each
member of the network team only knows his job and role, and may not even know
who
he is actually working for.
The gunmen who killed JFK were well trained and competent professional marksmen
and
killers, operating on a need-to-know basis as part of a covert intelligence
operation.
The
shooters were the easy part, mere technicians. It is the covert operational
managers
at
the top of the clandestine pyramid who are actually responsible for the crime,
and the
subject
of this pursuit.
The accused assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was an agent trained in what Dulles
called
“the
crafts of intelligence,” but he wasn’t a very good marksman, and
undependable for
that
part of the operation. Rather than the assassin, as the evidence suggests,
Oswald
was
what he claimed to be, an archetypical patsy, the fall guy set up and framed for
a
crime
he didn’t commit. Oswald was, at various times in his short, 22 year old
career,
an
inside agent, a living agent, possibly a double agent, and in the end, an
expendable
one.
It is not the pawns in the Great Game we are after, but rather, the Knights,
Bishops and
Rooks,
the middle managers and who they work for - the intelligence officers who pull t
he
chains of the puppets and pawns like Oswald, and Rodriguez, Sturgis and Townley.
Sun Tzu calls the men at the top “wise generals” and the “sovereign,”
and the operations
of
the network “The Devine Skein,” giving it a sort of deity or godlike
association, since
only
the patriarch at the top knows all that is going on during the game. To the
little man
on
the street it appears to be divine intervention, or the work of God, when
actually it is
mere
man-made magic.
Professor Paul Linebarger, who wrote the textbook on psychological warfare,
trained three generations of American spies in the techniques of psychological
clandestine operations – the “black arts,” including E. Howard Hunt, Ed
Lansdale and David Atlee Phillips. 12. (Psychological Warfare, Paul
Linbarger)
Besides his own textbook on propaganda, Linebarger had his students read
The
American Confidence Man by David W. Maurer. 13. (The American Confidence
Man,
Pocket
Books, N.Y. 1949).
A professor of linguistics at the University of Louisville (KY), Maurer’s book
started out as
a
study of the slang used by swindlers and crooks in the big time confidence games
prevalent
in the first half of the last century. Using a unique social science technique
–
Maurer
introduced himself to the crooks, told them what he was doing and after
obtaining
their
confidence, learned their lingo as well as how they pulled off such complicated
o
perations
as the Big Con or “The Big Store,” which was used as the basis of the
popular
movie,
“The Sting.”
– Setting up a Big Store in a city where there are lots of transients –
Marks, the store
operators
pay off the Dicks with the understanding only transients will be marked by
Ropers
for a Sting and no locals will be taken advantage of. The Roper meets a Mark
casually,
or what appears to be coincidental circumstances, though he’s actually been
selected
out of a crowd because of his profile – class, money, out of his home element,
etc.
and is brought to the Big Store where the Roper passes the Mark off to the
Inside
Man,
who sets up the Sting. The Wire is the operation used in the movie “The
Sting,”
though
there were other similar, totally theatrical productions like The Ring and The
Stock,
which also end with the money being given to the thieves without the Mark
even
knowing he was robbed.
“The big time confidence games are in reality, only carefully rehearsed plays
in which
every
member of the cast – Except the Mark, knows his part perfectly.” - David
Maurer,
In the Big Store that is Dealey Plaza, JFK was the Mark, John Connally roped him
and
Lyndon
Johnson played the Inside Man and greased the official Dicks. And it was the
American
people who were swindled of their democracy, without even knowing how
they
did it. Well now we know how they did it and can illustrate it quite clearly for
anyone
who wants to know.
As with The Sting, the behind the scene network of operators that makes up the
Devine
Skein is compromised of many different types of people, from street-wise
con
artists to suave, Ivy League corporate executives and bankers in business suits.
Now ordinary people can look into the glass onion and see The Big Picture, like
a
moving
picture that leaves Dealey Plaza into the cool, dark tunnel and then emerges
into
the light of day on the trail of the assassins, the picture moves wherever the
evidence
leads,
to places on the board and individuals who are players in the Great Game,
whether
they
want to be or not.
The names of the real assassins of President Kennedy may never become as famous
as
Lee Harvey Oswald, but I am convinced that we will come to know them, even if
they
are
now dead. We look into the Glass Onion, enter the ‘wilderness of mirrors,”
not to
name
the guilty, but for the adventure of answering the questions, figuring out the
riddles,
to learn the how and the why, and to view today’s circumstances with the
proper
perspective.
If Oswald was just crazy, nothing else would make sense, but when you look at
the
Devine
Skein through the "Glass Onion" of covert operations, it all makes
sense, and
you
learn to understand what happened at Dealey Plaza.
As William Manchester wrote, “…If you put the murdered President of the
United States
on
one side of the scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it
doesn’t balance.
You
want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President’s
death with
meaning,
endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. A conspiracy
would,
of course, do the job nicely. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatever that
there
was
one.” 14. (The Death of the President, William Manchester, 1967).
But the evidence is there, if you know what to look for and where to look for
it. People
ask
all the time, “Who killed JFK?” Well, anyone can know the answer, but you
just
can’t
say a name, you have to take the inquisitive journey and learn for yourself, not
just
who killed JFK, but how and why they did it.
While we don’t have all the pieces to the big picture and mural puzzle,
especially the
one
with the “smoking gun,” and there probably are no still secret document that
gives
the
names to the men who pulled the triggers, the overwhelming circumstantial
evidence
fits
in very nicely with the covert history of current events.
The psychological makeup of that “wretched waif Oswald” is of little
consequence, and
all
the academic studies of the Patsy are wrong because they are based on the false
premise
that he was the assassin.
On the other hand, an understanding of the Cold War history and the rules of the
Divine
Skein puts things in a proper perspective and balances out the scales of
history,
if not justice. The tools of the social scientist are limited. We can read and
interview,
and in the end we must judge for ourselves what is real and what is not.
A
homicide detective once told me that even if you know who murdered someone,
you
still need to develop the evidence to convict them in a court of law. But the
counter-intelligence
investigator, the journalist and historian do not have to meet
those
same standards to know the truth.
Most of the American people have always known, in fact most assumed or have come
to
believe there was a conspiracy at Dealey Plaza. Even if they couldn’t see
through
the
Glass Onion clearly, they knew in their hearts that something was wrong, not
only
with
the official version of events, but with our constitutional democracy.
It has only been since Watergate in 1972 that the general public became familiar
with
the covert operational terms such as “black bag operation” and “executive
action.”
Philadelphia attorney Vincent Salandria calls it the “Transparent
Conspiracy,”
where
it is prearranged for anyone who takes up the trail of the assassins to be
led
into a labyrinth of never ending false trails, dead ends and Machiavellian
intrigues.
“The
material we already have demonstrates conclusively that only the only
candidate
behind the assassination is the American government,” says Salandria,
“so
to go into a microanalysis only gets oneself into a hopeless maze, and we fail
to
address the real issues. You can try to develop a model of explanation of what
was
going on, what happened and why, but to rehash this is useless.” 15.
(The
Transparent Conspiracy, Vincent Salandria, COPA Conference, Dallas, 1998,
John
Kelin, ed.).
With an understanding of the crafts and history of covert intelligence
operations,
and
applying standard homicide investigative techniques, the network responsible
for
the assassination can be identified. The Divine Skein provides a model of the
labyrinth,
a map of the maze from those who have been there to those who are
just
taking up the trail and want to take it even further. To understand the truth of
w
hat
happened at Dealey Plaza you can’t get caught up in all of the ballistics,
trajectories,
acoustics, autopsies and caskets. Forget the “single-bullet-theory,”
suspend
judgment on any theories you may have developed. Take up the trail
cold
and follow it wherever it leads.
At the last meeting of the Warren Commission Allen Dulles tried to have all of
the testimony,
reports
and exhibits classified, but was over ruled by the other commissioners. “Go
ahead
and
publish the stuff,” Dulles said, “people won’t read it anyway.”
John Judge said, “What they are telling us is that ‘We killed the
son-of-a-bitch, and you
can’t
do anything about it’.”
Well, Dulles was wrong, and many thousands of people have read it, and I believe
we
can
do something about it.
My personal approach is to adapt the style David Maurer developed when he
researched
and wrote about the “Big Con,” and get to know the players, the lingo
and
the lexicon of the clandestine warriors, learn their history, get to know their
biographies,
and where they live, and then slip up next to them and ask them
6.Donovan, Robert J., 90, NYT Obit, Saturday, August 10, 2003.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/10/us/robert-j-donovan-90-the-author-of-pt-109.html
7. Donovan, R.; Introduction to A Concise Compendium to the Warren Report.
(Popular
Library, N.Y.,1964) See: #66 http://www.tomfolio.com/bookssub.asp?subid=1884
Warren Commission. Donovan, Robert J. [Kennedy, John Fitzgerald, 1917-1963]
A Concise Compendium of the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of
John
F. Kennedy. Publisher: NY, Popular Library [1964]. Introduction by Robert J.
Donovan.
637 p.; "Since the tragic death of President John F. Kennedy, a great
controversy,
both here and in Europe, has raged over the true facts of the assassination.
To
end this debate once and for all, President Johnson set up the Commission,
headed
by
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Earl Warren. Now, with the publication of the
Warren
Commission Report, the public for the first time can find the answers to such
troubling
questions as: Was Lee Harvey Oswald really the killer? Was he alone, or a
member
of a conspiracy? Just what were his relations with the far Left, the radical
Right,
the CIA, and Jack Ruby? What was the true sequence of events of the terrible
crime
and its extraordinary aftermath?" "The conclusive findings of the
Official
Investigation
into the most shocking crime of our century."
8. Exceptional Secret Service Study. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac.shtml
Assassination in the United States: An Operational Study of Recent Assassins,
Attackers,
and Near Lethal Approaches; Journal of Forensic Sciences, Volume 44,
Number
2, March 1999. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ntac_jfs.pdf
9. More Recent Study – Presidential Stalkers and Assassins.
http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/34/2/154 By codifying their actions based
on motive,
presence
or absence of delusions, active psychosis, and intent to do harm, the author
presents
five descriptive categories that he suggests capture the various motivations
of
presidential stalkers and assassins and characterize the clinical context in
which
the
behavior occurs…
10. Covert Operative Personality Profile
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/08/covert-operational-profile.html
11. Sam Griffith; Obit; Sun Tzu (Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1964)
http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/HD/Whos_Who/Griffith_SB.htm
Retired Brigadier General Samuel B. Griffith II, a noted author, lecturer, and
Sinologue,
died
unexpectedly 27 Mar. 1983 in Newport, RI. He was born 31 May 1906, Lewiston,
Penn.,U.S.
Naval Academy 1929, 2nd Lt. USMC,. Second Nicaraguan Campaign, China,
Cuba,
and England. In China, language officer at the US Embassy Peiping. WW II British
commando
training, England and Scotland; 1st Marine Div, 1st Raider Bat., Guadalcanal,
and
1st Raider Reg. in New Georgia, Navy Cross, Sept. 1942 for “extreme heroism
and
courageous
devotion to duty” at Matanikau River, Purple Heart, Army Distinguished
Service
Cross. U.S. Naval War College, Newport, R.I., Chief of Staff, Fleet Marine
Force,
staff
of the U.S. Commander in Chief, Europe, retired from the Marine Corps 1956,
after
more
than 25 years service. Following retirement, Gen. Griffith awarded D.Phil. in
Chinese
Military History, Oxford University (New College) 1961, translated Sun Tzu’s
The
Art of War,1963 and Mao Tse-tung’s On Guerrilla War, 1978, wrote The Battle
for
Guadalcanal,
The Chinese People’s Liberation Army, and In Defense of the Public
Liberty.
Research Fellow Council on Foreign Relations and Institute for Defense
Studies
in London.
Also see: Samuel Griffith Society Annual Conference – Adelaide
http://www.samuelgriffith.org.au/pages/Conf21/conf21generalinfo.html
12. Linebarger, Paul; Psychological Warfare – International Propaganda and
Communications
by Paul M. A. Linebarger (1948, U.S. Army; Duell, Sloan and Pearce,
N.Y.
1954; Arno Press, 1972),
13. Mauer, David W.; The American Confidence Man (The Big Con; Pocket
Books, 1949)
The American Confidence Man – (Charles C. Thomas, Springfield, Illinois, USA,
1974)
14. Manchester, William; The Death of the President (1967, Harper &
Row, NY )
15. Salandria, Vincent; The Transparent Conspiracy COPA Conference Vincent
Salandria
speech to the Coalition on Political Assassinations, Dallas, Texas, Nov. 20,
1998.
http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/35th_Issue/vs_text.html
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Transcribed by William Kelly - January, 2010
ARRB Interview with NPIC Employee Homer McMahon
Hearing Date July 14, 1997
Interviewed by Douglas P. Horne Chief of Military Records of ARRB
Total Time 1:41:19
Douglas Horne:
D.H.: Okay, it is Monday, July 14th, 1997, my name is Doug Horne. I am
with the AARB. I am here with Mr. Homer McMahon, former NPIC employee –
National Photo Interpretation Center. And I am also here with Michelle
Combs (sp?) of the AARB. And we before we begin I would like to confirm
with you on the record, is it okay, do we have your permission to tape
this interview?
Homer McMahon: Yes, I am Homer McMahon, I wasn't NPIC, I was with the
CIA. That was my cover at the time, and you have my permission. At the
time NPIC was a classified topic.
DH. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you very much. We may be joined later; this is
for the record, by Mr. Jeremy Gunn of the Review Board staff and also by
a new employee (Marie B.?) who is in the building today also. Could you
summarize for us sir, your professional experience and training in
photography prior to and up to 1963.
HM: I started in photography in 1938.
D.H.: Okay.
HM: I worked one summer at the FBI lab. I'm not sure of that summer.
[Possible Redaction edit] My boss was Dunlap, who later became, left and
went into business for himself and I worked for him part time, at
different times.
I was in photography when I was in high school when I worked as the
photographer on the yearbook committee. I used to work at…for Pop Baker,
and that was at the Kodak photo finishing at Georgetown, also a summer
school. I was in photography on the GI bill, I went to the National
School of Photography and I went to the Washington School of
Photography, and I took several extension courses at the US GS Graduate
School at the Law Enforcement Institute of Pathology at Walter Reed.
I took several courses up at Rochester in Binghamton, under…..and
Binghamton Kodak, at Rochester. Other than that, I never had a degree in
photography. In those days it was strictly vocational. There was no, you
could get a masters degree up there…MBA, but I never….. or worked on
that level,….to make national presentations. I was a member of the
Professional Photographers of America.
I went to college on the GI Bill at the end of the Second World War. And
then I went to work for the CIA. My mentor Mel Fromm (sp. phonetic) was
an old OSS operative during the Second World War. His dad ran the
National School of Photography; I spent two years there, and he got me a
job interview with the CIA. I went out .....?...Street. That was
printing services division,....That was Austin Young (?). I worked there
for two or three years. Then I went into business for myself for five
years, and then went back for I think ten years….
DH: Went back to the Agency?
HM: Yea, but I didn't go back to the printing service division, I went
to the Science Division. When Stewart's Garage closed down,
ah,…Kennedy's brother Bob got that built. It was a special building, it
was behind the barrier, the barrier walls, it couldn't be penetrated. It
was in the Navy Yard and I worked there for I guess close to ten years.
And that's when I was chief of the color lab, GS 11 – step 7, was my
grade when I worked there.
DH: What. Do you recall what year it was that you returned to the CIA
and worked for about ten years, what year it was, more or less?
HM: No, I don't have an accurate recollection.
DH: Okay. It would be, certainly before 1963, it would be in the 50s
perhaps?
HM: Oh, yea. Yes.
DH: Okay. When you went back to the CIA for the second time, were you
working at the Stewarts Motors building with…?
HM: No. I didn't work in the Stewart Garage; I'm not going to name names
of people that I worked with…
DH: Okay.
HM: I could give you Mike…..he's retired, he worked at the Stewarts but
he retired, and I talked to him, and he said he could get me an
interview, and I was working for Austin Young, ….right there at
Kingston, or….King Street, I forget which, - he came over and
interviewed me and I transferred. I was LV16, I was under the GPA scale,
I was in the Printing Services Division.
DH: Okay. Let me go off the record and introduce you to some people who
just arrived.
DH: Okay back on the record. Mr. Jeremy Gunn, Marie (B.?) and Steve
Tilley have joined us.
Mr. McMahon do you remember when you became head of the Color Lab?
HM: When I went over I was hired for that position and I transferred
from a LV19 to a GS 11 step 7.
DH: Approximately what year was that?
HM: Late 50s.
DH: Okay, late 50s. Were you working at the National Photo
Interpretation Center in November, 1963?
HM: Yes.
DH: Okay. We spoke previously on the telephone on June 9, Mr. Dave
Montahue and I called you. You mentioned to us during that telephone
call that you were involved in analysis and other events with a home
movie of the assassination. Can you tell us how you first head about
this and who told you to come into work?
HM: Okay. I wasn't an analyst. That was a technical term for someone who
did photo interpretation in my branch. I was a photo-technologist. What
I did I timed…to my best recollection, I was I worked in the vaulted
area behind the barrier with pretty sensitive material. My
classification allowed me to work on anything and everything that I had
need to know, and I won't tell you what those were…..but….
DH: And I won't ask.
HM: We had…it was…..a world beyond. We had unlimited budget….we had
anything we wanted to buy. Unlimited money. It was a palace, it was
Lundahl's Palace. I think they said 90% of intelligence came from our
operation. And that was, that was what the analysists and photo
interpreters did. They knew along with,…I was in the science area, but
they also had access and used other information.
But the best I can remember how I came to work on this project. Of
course, we all heard of you known that motorcade where Kennedy got
killed, and I think we shut up shop and went home early after that. And
it was within the next two days a chap was introduced to me, and I was
sworn to his secrecy; it had nothing to do with the agency's secrecy.
And he was, to the best of my knowledge, he was introduced as Bill
Smith,…
DH: Bill Smith, of …what….?
HM: Oh, Secret Service, he was an agent. He had gotten a roll of film
directly from the person that had photographed it who called the Secret
Service and told them that he thought he had on film he shot with a
little Brownie Double 8, and he took it, he took it to Rochester. We had
a division up there - I won't get into that, but they processed the
film, it was Kodacrome, I think I or II, the daylight version, whichever
that is, it was Double 8 and, after he got it processed, they told him
there that we were probably the only place that had the equipment that
could do what he wanted to, - take every frame on there, of the entire
event, and make the best possible quality reproductions.
DH: When you say they told him, who do you mean?
HM: Well. (Ha, ha,)…Well, Eastman Kodak had contracts with the US
government, and if you want to know, you can go to the CIA and they will
tell you who told him, but he got the film processed, and he brought it
to us, and he and three other people timed the film, for through
observation you can tell where the gunshots actually caused the hits and
slumps. We didn't know anything about any audio, it was just visual, and
we timed it, and determined the time - physically timed it with a stop
watch, where the gunshots hits hit. And we went from I think maybe two
frames before the first hit and then we hit every single frame thru….He
only counted three hits, possibly four. I couldn't tell I think, when
Connally got hit. It was obvious when he got hit the first time, and
then the second time he got hit, going off into an angle up, and…..
DH: Could I break in and ask you a question? When you say he and three
others timed the film, does this mean that you people viewed it as a
motion picture?
HM: Yes, we were in a briefing room, with a camera and a large screen -
you said I could use Ben Hunter's name? I worked with Ben Hunter, Ben
Hunter I think he was a GS 7 and he was working with me as a trainee at
the time in the color lab, and Bill Smith, ah,….excuse me, there were
three of us, including myself (ha, ha), that's it. To the best of my
knowledge.
DH: So the total number of people are - yourself, Ben Hunter and Bill
Smith?
HM: Yes. That's all that were involved to my knowledge.
DH: How were you first notified to go in? Did this happen during the
work day or after hours? Or how did they first notify you?
HM: I haven't the faintest idea, because I've been called in so many
times…ah…
DH: For other jobs, right? Do you recall whether you did the job during
the day?
Jeremy Gunn: I just want to make sure for the record. When you say you
were called in many times, you mean for other jobs?
HM: When the goose laid the egg, we went on 12 to12, 12 hour shifts
until we worked out the mission. I don't think that's important. The
other work I did had nothing to do with this.
DH: That's what the question was….when you said that statement, were you
referring to this particular film or other jobs?
HM: Okay,…I had other clearances, but none of these clearances that were
given to me under the CIA or other clearances that I held for other
government agencies, this was under strictly a, I was told that none of
this was to be divulged to anyone. We had it, we did it, but I didn't
know who was going to be briefed…..My guess, we normally briefed the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Reconnaissance Committee, and the
President of the United States, with the work that I did. I didn't do
any of the analysis. I just did the color part that was used in the
briefing boards, and the Teleprompters and that kind of work, and it was
also distributed under Top Secret classifications to the community.
JG: We were only trying to clarify if you were called in several times,
you were only called once for the film of the assassination.
HM: I worked on that one, and I worked on it until it was completed and
I think it was probably more than a work day.
HM: When we spoke on June 9th, you indicated that you were
called in and you worked basically all night long. Does that refresh
your recollection?
HM: Yes, …I don't think it was during my normal….I didn't know what I
was being called in for. I didn't have the faintest idea.
HM: Would you allow me to test your recollection on something else? You
said it was within two days of the assassination. Is there any
particular reason why you associated it with other events within a few
days?
HM: I think I was told that to get the film from the individual, to get
it processed, and get it back, it was a couple of days. I'm not sure.
DH: Do you recall whether this work that you did was before the funeral
or after the funeral of the president?
HM: I'm pretty sure it was before.
DH: Before we get into some details of what you did, how would you best
summarize the tasking that your agency received from Mr. Smith? Could
you revisit that topic again?
HM: Okay. I don't know how it came through channels to us. I wasn't told
that. What I'm reflecting is what I think happened. I know it wasn't
under any of the clearances I held, and I know it was being done for
analysis and briefing, but I'm not sure who that was for.
DH: Okay. And what is it that he wanted you to do again, one more time?
HM: Okay, what he wanted us to do, after we came to a decision, after we
had timed it, was to take a frame by frame presentation of that
sequence, and make a…best recollection five by seven interlays and I
printed up eight by ten…Ben Hunter and myself, exposed them and
processed them. Then we had a period of time we had to wait for the
drying of the material, and then we went back and viewed all of the
negatives, and we had them marked and identified as to the sequence, and
we made three each color contact prints, and again then we went back and
processed those and had to wait for the drying. Ah…
DH: So the color prints were the same size then as the inter negative?
HM: I'm pretty sure we contacted the 8 x 10 negatives that were
exposed…. And then they were cut apart and identified on the back, and I
did not do that, the identification, I don't think I did that, I might
have.
JG: It wasn't clear to me about the negatives and the internegatives.
You refer to there being five by seven and eight by ten…. I don't know
whether they were separate things or were you were referring….
HM: It's called a working…..You take an 8 by 10 negative and print a
five by seven on a five by eight, you print a ……then turn it…set up the
liquid gate, and make the other one, and then put it in the box. So you
finish say the first two and move the frame to the third frame. This was
precision equipment to make a one stage enlargement, and my best guess
is 40 x, is what we made the little image to.
DH: By that you mean 40 times the original size?
HM: 40 times the half frame super double eight…or whatever it was, we
had three different, we had a ten twenty forty….
DH: Is that the enlarging machine?
HM: Yes, that's the enlarging machine. You set it up with – this is a
coherent light source enlarger…We set it up with a specific optical
lens, and a specific condenser, and a color pack CC filters, so we could
expose all three layers of the Kodacrome on these negatives.
DH: You mentioned wet gate a moment ago?
HM: Yea, it's a liquid gate, a liquid gate, it was two parts of
a…..okay, we made our own liquid. And what the purpose of the liquid
was, - it has a refraction index to eliminate the surfaces of the film
which degrade the image, the front and back surface. It was called
10-20-40 fluid, and to my knowledge it was two parts of……(pause)……I
don't have….I can't remember the…..
DH: It's alright. Was this applied by hand or full immersion wet gate?
HM: You had ….injection….you had front lens come down…it was precision
equipment, with the excessive fluid went out, so it was full gate,
almost like a microscope. And if you have air bubbles in it, you have to
go back and start again and reinject it and bring it back down.
DH: Alright. May I ask another question before we move along? You
mentioned Double 8 film a few times. Do you recall the condition of this
movie when you saw it, had it been slit or unslit?
HM: I think it was unslit and I might have said that, and we might have
slit it before we used it, but I thought they were told that they didn't
want to slit the film, and I don't, I don't think we slit it, I think we
used it unslit in a 16 mm projector…
DH: That was going to be my next question, how did you project it?
HM: I think it was unslit. This was the original film. I think they ran
dupes of it, but we actually ran the acquisition material of the
original film.
DH: Is this something you observed yourself or something that you were
told by Mr. Smith? How do you come to the conclusion today that you had
the original film?
HM: I think it was a combination of everything you said, along with, ah,
the quality of the film. Normally when you dupe it, you loose a lot of
resolution and when we made them you could actually….Kodacrome is an
additive process. It's black and white film with filers that give you
color separation negatives, you use ….dies….flash them and redevelop
them selectively onto the original film, and it has a yellow coupler, a
magenta coupler, and cyan coupler that give you the three subtractive
primary colors that give you the illusion of image and color and there
was very little die that changes,…. it was excellent imagery, and I
don't know if that still exists or not, but I'm pretty sure that's what
I used.
DH: Okay. One more follow up on the first part of the interview, and
then we'll move along. How certain are you that Mr. Smith said he went
down to pick up the film from the person who took it and then took it to
Rochester? Are you...
HM: I know he took it to Rochester, and I'm not certain other than I
think he said he got it from the original person himself, but I am not
positive. I am positive that he said that he took it to Rochester, and
got it processed, and then brought it to us to dupe it. Rochester wasn't
set up to do that stuff.
DH: In the sense that you had the big enlarger and they did not?
HM: We had a complete world beyond facility (ha, ha), a multi-billion
dollar photo lab, that the Kennedy brothers got built for us in what,
three months I think. They moved out of the Stewart right in.
DH: Did the NPIC relocate after the Cuban Missile Crisis? Was it after
the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962 that you moved?
HM: When was Kennedy's inauguration take place?
DH: January 1961
HM: It was shortly after that.
DH: Do you remember the approximate number of internegatives that you
made?
HM: It was before the Cuban Missile Crisis, because I….but I'm not going
to talk about that. Now what was that question again?
DH: Do you remember the approximate number of frames on the film that
you made internegatives?
HM: The best recollection is 40 (pause), and it might have been 20,
between 20 and 40.
DH: And which person in the room decided which, who decided which frames
would…?
HM: We all did….
DH: It was a joint thing? ….
HM: Yea, but in hindsight, Smith said afterward that he wished he had
done the whole damn role.
DH: When did he say that?
HM: After we were finished (ha ha).
DH: After you viewed it as a motion picture, how did you, did you lay it
out on a light table and use a loop, what did you do for further study?
I'm trying to ask you to recall the process?
HM: Okay. After it was viewed, and I'm not sure we used a dupe or we
used or… acquisition. We might have used a dupe role to project it. I
know he had dupes made of it, and yes, we could use loops and we could
visually look at that, but when you put it in the type of equipment we
had, you can actually physically see it on the vacuum board where the
film goes.
DH: That would be superior to the loops viewing?
HM: Yes, and we also used a Tin-x magnifier to grain focus the image,
each image, before we exposed it on the inter-negative, so we actually
were getting the acquisition, the grain on the acquisition material into
sharp focus, because you couldn't see the image so ten times forty is
four hundred…
DH: So you were focusing on the actual grain?
HM: Well, it's not actually grain; Kodacrome, the grain is in the
negative, and you develop three black and white negatives and then you
selectively expose them with the red, green and blue light and develop
the complementary, added the primary colors, which are the primary
colors, magenta, yellow and cyan couplers, so when these are all
developed on the tri pack of film you have, you have a positive die
image. The negative had the grain; the positive had a reciprocal die
image, which would have been a much finer grain of silver. Okay the
chemical reaction is to replace the fine grain silver positive image
with die, and then you bleach out the sliver and are left with just the
die, so it's not technically grainy, it's perception of what used to be
grainy.
DH: Okay. Thank you for that technical explanation. Is this process
which you have described, is it proprietary to Kodak?
HM: Yes. They had a proprietary….Well no, at the time they passed a law
where they had to relinquish the processing of Kodacrome, and one branch
of Kodak went out and opened another company, so it was not proprietary.
DH: Did it, at any time during this work was the motion picture copied
as a motion picture?
HM: No. Not in our operation.
DH: So you only made inter negatives and color prints, is that correct?
HM: Yes.
DH: And the size of the prints again?
HM: I'm pretty sure they were five by seven, if they were the ones I
made.
DH: After the prints were made, I assume they had to dry. What happened
next? Who were they given to?
HM: Ah, now the mounting on the briefing boards and the photo
interpretation, so to speak, I was not involved in. And I think I went
home (ha, ha). But Smith probably went to another area, it's not even a
vaulted area, it's a finishing room upstairs.....
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QUOTE (J. Raymond Carroll @ Jan 31 2010, 09:57 PM)
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Jan 31 2010, 08:57 PM)
DH: What. Do you recall what year it was that
you returned to the CIA and worked for about ten years, what year it
was, more or less?
HM: No, I don't have an accurate recollection.
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HM: I think it was unslit and I might have
said that, and we might have slit it before we used it,
but I thought they were told that they didn't want to slit the film, and
I don't, I don't think we slit it
I think one thing is certain, we either slit the film, or else we didn't
slit the film. It was DEFINITELY one or the other.
Absolutly. One way or the other.
And you are only dealing with one visit of the Z-film to NPIC, as Dino
Brugioni also says he worked on the Z-film that weekend in a completely
different session that also made enlargements of the z-film frames for
briefing boards that were used to brief CIA director John McCone, who
after the briefing, informed RFK that there was evidence of a second
shooter, and thus a conspiracy.
Why was the "original" Z-film taken to the NPIC twice, for the same
project - making enlargements of the individual frame for briefing
boards?
Neither Homer McMahon nor Dino Brugioni, both CIA employees of the NPIC
are making any allegations about the film being altered at all, but
merely describing the film that they had in their possession that
weekend.
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McMahon interview Part II.
DH: Did you and Mr. Hunter stop work at about the same time?
HM: He might have stayed on and helped. There was another chap who was
probably involved in that work. And it was probably was done by the
other chap, and I'm sure Bill Smith. And I think you mentioned that Ben
Hunter said he didn't recall Bill Smith as the name of the agent that
brought the film in?
DH: He did not independently recall that name.
HM: I remember Snuffy Smith, he was a Senator from Texas, and I think I
asked the guy, because I had met him overseas, and I asked him if he was
any relation? (ha ha)…. I knew he had been in Texas, where he got the
film. And I asked him and he said no.
DH: That's interesting. You just mentioned another chap who may have
been involved with the briefing boards and analysis…, do you recall
their name?
HM: I can't recall the name. I don't recall, and even if I did I
wouldn't tell you…because he was young…
DH: Let me ask you a question about names. Do you recall a person named
Sands? S-A-N-D-S?
HM: No. No recollection of that name.
DH: If I would call this person Captain Sands, would that help anyway?
HM: Okay. Well, we had an intermediate, a naval officer. They would have
had to have someone bring him in because they wouldn't have had
clearance. To get behind the barrier was pretty hard to do without
presidential or above Top Secret clearance (ha ha). I had a CIA badge
and that would get me past the guards, and to get behind the barrier I
had another special badge and that had to be picked up and turned in
when I went in and then we were in a vaulted area that had crypto code
you had to run to get in the door. So it was virtually not
penetrateable. And after you got in the door you had to have a procedure
to disarm the vaulted area or security would be on you…
DH: Extensive security….Do you remember a Captain Sands was on the staff
at NPIC?
HM: Even if I knew I couldn't tell you. It was a geo-military operation.
DH: Ben Hunter recalled that a Captain Sands who brought in the film.
Subsequently he said there might have been a Secret Service Agent, but
he remembered a Captain Sands.
HM: Most of the geo-military who were there were undercover, and I can't
mention them.
DH: Okay. Did you create or do you recall anyone taking any notes during
your work?
HM: I think Hunter and I did the only records of the work, and I think
there was on either a yellow….yellow…..(ha ha)
DH: You just put your hand on a yellow legal pad.
HM: Yes…it was a legal type pad. Unless it was recorded on;
, we made our marks on some of the…to keep, but I did not put any
classification or anything of that nature, I didn't put any
classification or control, on any of the documents. Normally that is
required before it could leave the vault, it has to be controlled with a
Top Secret Cover sheet, but I did not do that. Now after the briefing
board is made from the material, and that classification precedes, that
would have also had classifications. We made briefing boards,
Teleprompters and graphs for dissemination to the intelligence
community.
DH: For other types of work, but for this job you may have made notes on
a yellow legal pad?
HM: Now I'm sure this did not go to the intelligence community, it was
not part of the CIA. It was not….This was a Need To Know basis and it
was used by whoever brought it in, (ha ha) either for the Warren
Commission or to brief somebody else. It wasn't for history, ….I think
it was… I don't know what it was for…
DH: Before we move along and before I show you the notes that the
Archives have, let me revisit with you, what exactly Mr. Smith said
about secrecy or non-disclosure regarding this event? Could you tell me
that story again?
HM: I know that my immediate supervisor was not allowed in the vault,
that it was so sensitive, and he had all the tickets, and he was not
allowed in the room. It was strictly on a need to know, do the job and
get it out, and no one needs to know about it, there was no records….
JG: When you say he had all the tickets, you mean he had had clearances?
HM: He had all the clearances I had, but was not allowed, it was not the
CIA or, I had all the clearances – the Atomic Energy, the National
Security Agency, and it was not under any of these.
JG: Was there any other compartment, or a name?
HM: There was no code name on it that I know of and if there was I
couldn't tell you. (ha, ha)
DH: Did Mr. Smith tell you it was classified at a certain level?
HM: Yes, he said it was defiantly on a Need to Know Basis….and he didn't
give me anything other than I was sworn to secrecy. I don't know if I
signed a document, I don't recall, but I know it couldn't be divulged.
DH: Did it have a level of classification, like Confidential or Secret?
HM: No, it did not have…He said it was Above Top Secret, and that meant
it had to have a code name. Now I don't know what turned up on the
briefing boards, I never saw them.
DH: Before we examine the notes that the Archives has, Jeremy did you
want to ask a follow up question?
Jeremy Gunn: Yes, I'd like to go back to something you said earlier
in the interview where you said, "When I recall…he took three hits,
possibly four," and it wasn't clear to me if he was, were you were
talking about Kennedy or Connally. Did you reach a conclusion as to the
number of hits on President Kennedy?
HM: My guess, I thought six or eight, but the consensus was two or
three. They said it hit Kennedy and hit Connally, ricochet…
DH: Did they say that that night?
HM: We were just trying to get were all the shots of action….and I knew
that later they found some sound audio tapes and could get voice prints
on sound and could tell how many separate weapons and directions it
showed up on one of the police tapes that was recorded, one of the
motorcycles had it on…..I don't know.
JG: How is you and the others, how did you come to conclude the number
of hits? Was it from the film while it was rolling, or was that a frame
by frame analysis?
HM: Well the person who brought the film in, he had already saw it, he
had pre-knowledge before we had it, so maybe we were swayed to go along
with his first impression. I don't know.
JG: Did he say anything? Could you sort of recount what happened, was it
Bill Smith, what Bill Smith said what he already knew about the film and
what it showed.?
HM: He viewed it after it was processed at Eastman Kodak –
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DH: We're back on record. Turned the tape over.
HM: I was just selected to do the job that I covered, and I don't think
I should talk about what happened before, because it is hearsay
knowledge that I have no real knowledge of it.
JG: …Just so it's clear…..That's what we're asking about. It's important
for us to get as much information as we can about the processing and
analysis of the film of the assassination, and the other work we're not
asking about, but this is something we want to get as much information
as we can. If Bill Smith told you something about the film, it's
important to us, so if you could you just tell us what he said happened?
HM: Okay, to the best of my recollection he said, that he was contacted
by his organization about a film, a person called up and they said they
had it, and they felt they didn't want to give to anyone, sell it, or
make a profit on it, and they wanted it to go to the Secret Service, and
let them have that, and he gave the original film - the person who did
the photography, to the Secret Service, and I don't think anyone else
knew about it until much later.
JG: Let me try a question….You are acquainted with the Zapruder film,
the film called the Zapruder film? Is this the Zapruder film or a
different film?
HM: I haven't seen it for 35 years. Ah, I never heard Dalcruder at the
time. I heard that much, much later.
DH: Do you mean Dalcruder? Did you say Dalcruder?
HM: He did. The man who took the most famous film was Abraham Zapruder.
HM: Abraham Zapruder. I never heard that, or if I did I don't remember
it.
JG: Right now, you're not certain if the film you worked with was the
Zapruder film or another film?
HM: I was told it was the only coverage they had. That was it. No one
else photographed it. They said it was the only film, and I don't know
if it was or if it was the historic film.
JG: What did Mr. Smith say had happened to the film prior to the time
when you got it, regarding processing?
HM: Okay. Because of expedite, and the expedite part is they wanted to
find out what happened, and they had film that was generously turned in
by a very patriotic person, who told it was given to them because it
might help in the investigation. This is what he was told, what I was
told, and that it was of the utmost urgency, so he hand-carried it and
flew to Rochester, and got it processed at the processing division
there. And they were made aware that he was coming, and did it
immediately for him, and I also think they made duplications of that,
which I was told, and then he came back. Because they told him they
couldn't do what he wanted to get done, and that NPIC could do it, it
fell on our laps and we did it.
JG: When you say they couldn't do what they wanted done, was that
enlargements or was there some other?
HM: They didn't have a laboratory that could do the quality of work that
he wanted. He wanted maximum sharpness, the most see-ability, and that's
what we could do and we were way beyond the state of the art and the
quality that was turned out.
JG: Before the film of the assassination, was it your understanding that
anything more that could be done besides….?
HM: The prints were duplications of the original film.
DH: Was anything else done to the film?
HM: No, not to my knowledge.
DH: Was it your understanding that Mr. Smith had come directly to
Washington from Rochester?
HM: Yes, yes, he got off the airplane at the National Airport and came
directly to us, to our building.
JG: Just so we are clear on something. It was our understanding that the
film had been processed by Kodak. When you said it was done in
Rochester, was that an inference that you drew when they said it had
been processed by Kodak or did they specifically mention Rochester?
HM: Now you're getting into classified grounds, that I can't answer that
question. I know but I can't talk about it. There was another top secret
lab that the government used.
JG: If you are uncomfortable talking about it, we can stop that here and
that would be fine, but this is something that is important for us to
do, and we can go back to the agency and talk to them.
HM: You can do that back through the agency, and I know that hasn't been
done, (ha ha) or it is in the public domain….
DH: I think there is a way to rephrase the question without you
perceiving a classified intent – Did Mr. Smith say this was done at
Kodak or did he say this was developed at Rochester?
HM: Okay, again, I know where it was done, and I know who did it, and
I'm not going to answer.
DH: Okay, is there any chance that where it was done could that be in a
Kodak lab in Dallas?
HM: To my knowledge no. (Pause) When you are in bed with the other (?)
guy, we had their top scientists and photo chemists and optical people
working in the world beyond. We had their people - I shouldn't even be
talking about it, sorry, and there was a definite link on the national
level, where we had the best there was working with us….
JG: Would it be fair to say that there was another facility where it is
your understanding that is where it was processed….in terms of the name
of it
HM: Yes.
JG: …..where it was your understanding it was processed….In terms of the
name of it, we don't need that..
HM: Yes…but I don't know if there was…..You couldn't say National Photo
Interpretation Center…..You could say NPIC, and that was secret. My
cover was that I worked for the CIA. I did not work for NPIC. The
military that worked there worked for the military, whether it was Navy,
Army, Air Force, whatever. They did not work for the CIA.
DH: I'd like to ask a follow on question on the opinions in the room on
the discussion of the hits on the governor and the president. Did Mr.
Smith tell you the directions the shots came from, or did you people try
to determine that on your own from your study?
HM: I may not answer that question, let me take a detour. I'm an army
brat. My dad was in the first and second world war. He was an officer.
When I was four years old, I was taught to shoot tricks. I was one of
the greatest trick shot artists. When I was sixteen I used to fire at
Perry, at Camp Perry, Ohio, I was in the NRA national championships. I'm
talking about target shooting, not tricks. I was what they called a
sight shooter. I could hit without aiming. In other words I was a trick
shot artist. My dad would hold a dime between his fingers and at fifty
foot I could shoot it out (ha ha) with a little trick gun. I'd pump
three balls, golf balls and could pump and hit the three of them before
they hit the ground. I used to have a rifle range in my basement and I
would shoot every day and I became….it was like driving a car and after
you've done it for so long you're reflexes do it automatically. I could
shoot without looking. I didn't close one eye and look through a sight.
I could actually shoot and hit what I wanted to hit. And I think I could
really see the bullets hitting the object, and their trajectory, I could
see the path of the bullet, and I could compensate for that if I missed.
It was a feedback mechanism. And I was very good at what I did. In fact
I'd make money in the money matches with the larger rifles, and I could
make four or five hundred dollars in prize money firing, so I was a
professional shooter, and yes, I could look at the pictures and tell you
how many shots and possibly where they came from up, down, right, left,
and this is intuition, and I couldn't explain how I know that.
DH: What was it, how many shots were there in the assassination?
What is your opinion?
HM: About eight shots.
DH: Where did they come from?
HM: From three different directions, at least.
DH: Could you remember what the directions were?
HM: No, but if you have the film, you can plot vectors. Because you can
go out, I'm a photogramist as well. There's a way to do it, believe me.
DH: Were you asked to do that?
HM: No.
DH: Did you say that you were looking at the film with the others….
HM: I wasn't a photogramacist at the time….I later worked as aerial
photographer and I did aerial photography for what do you call it, for
mapping, first, second and third order surveying. I did that for ten or
twelve years….and….Now I was a shooter, and that is the only reason I
can tell you what I saw and thought I saw, and it wasn't superior
vision, it was just intuition. And no I did not agree with their
analysis at the time I was doing the work, and I didn't have to because
I wasn't a photo analysist, (ha ha) I was not paid to do that.
DH: What did Mr. Smith think?
HM: He thought there were three shots.
JG: From what direction.
HM: He held to the standard concept, that Oswald fired out of the second
story…you have psychological profiles of Oswald…you have tons of it, you
ought to be able to figure out…(ha ha)
JG: Was there a selection made of the photos – frames to be enlarged?
HM: I didn't make any selection. It was all sequential, from that group,
everything was sequential, nothing was left out.
JG: Would that be from the first time you could identify there was a
shot?
HM: Up to what they thought were the shots.
JG: Approximately how many frames were there between….
DH: …..Well the limo occupants disappear behind the sign at about frame
190 and the fatal head shot according to the Warren Commission was 313,
so that's quite a few frames.
JG: So the question I have is how many frames were actually made?
HM: Well, maybe what they thought were three shots, so maybe we we did
before and after, I'm not clear on that. I thought they were sequential,
one frame after the other, when I did it, and again, I'm only talking
about forty shots that I was involved in making…
DH: 40 frames?
HM: 40 frames….so maybe it might have been they did it before each hit
they thought was detectable, but I thought there were others…
DH: Did you express your opinion?
HM: Yes, I expressed my opinion, (ha ha) but you know, it was
preconceived. That's the way I thought about it. You don't fight city
hall and I wasn't there to fight them. I was there to do the work.
JG: When you say preconceived, you mean the Secret Service man had
preconceived notion?
HM: Yes, and I didn't care. I had no vested interest in what was
happening.
JG: Secret Service agent
HM: I didn't care…..
JG: Motion picture?
HM: It was a projector. And we had the still frames that we could put in
and stop it and run it backwards. It was a unique one, not a cheap one.
JG: Was it 16 mm projector?
HM: I seem to recall it as being a 16 mm, but that again, we had every
kind of projector. It was in a briefing room, we went up to one of our
briefing rooms and they have all that equipment up there.
JG: When you say Double 8 film I assume you refer to a film that had one
series of images on one side and one series on the other?
HM: Yes.
JG: If it was 16 mm you would see one going up and the other upside
down, do have a recollection of that happening.
HM: I think that happened from the original film when I put it on the
optical precision enlarger, because, but we, you could center the film
in the liquid gate, the frame, right in the center of it, and you don't
see it.
JG: I assume that when you made the negative you would focus on the
single frames of the assassination; do you have any recollection now if
there was anything in the other part, that wasn't the assassination
part?
HM: …..I can't really answer that. Most of my reflections are what I
have recalled and remembered after the fact. In other words, I did it
once, and then I recalled it, and remembered it.......
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HM: We were just trying to get were all the
shots of action….and I knew that later they found some sound audio tapes
and could get voice prints on sound and could tell how many separate
weapons and directions it showed up on one of the police tapes that was
recorded, one of the motorcycles had it on…..I don’t know.
Wow! THis guy's really up to date. He remembers something about the
HSCA.
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I don’t think I should talk about what
happened before, because it is hearsay knowledge that I have no real
knowledge of it.
HM: Okay, again, I know where it was done, and I know who did it, and
I’m not going to answer.
HM: Yes…but I don’t know if there was…..
TRANSLATION: I DON"T know where it was, and I DO know where it was, but
I wouldn't tell you either way. Anyway, IT'S ALL HEARSAY.
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HM: yes, I could look at the pictures and
tell you how many shots and possibly where they came from up, down,
right, left, and this is intuition, and I couldn’t explain how I know
that.
HM: About eight shots.
Thanks Homer. ANOTHER mystery solved.
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HM: I seem to recall it as being a 16 mm, but
that again, we had every kind of projector.
HM: …..I can’t really answer that. Most of my reflections are what I
have recalled and remembered after the fact. In other words, I did it
once, and then I recalled it, and remembered it.......
Ah Memories.
But I am CERTAIN in my MEMORY about one thing: Whether it was 8
millimeter or 16 miilimeter or some other millimeter entirely, it was
definitely A PROJECTOR.
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QUOTE
HM: We were just trying to get were all the
shots of action….and I knew that later they found some sound audio tapes
and could get voice prints on sound and could tell how many separate
weapons and directions it showed up on one of the police tapes that was
recorded, one of the motorcycles had it on…..I don't know.
Wow! THis guy's really up to date. He remembers something about the
HSCA.
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I don't think I should talk about what
happened before, because it is hearsay knowledge that I have no real
knowledge of it.
HM: Okay, again, I know where it was done, and I know who did it, and
I'm not going to answer.
HM: Yes…but I don't know if there was…..
TRANSLATION: I DON"T know where it was, and I DO know where it was, but
I wouldn't tell you either way. Anyway, IT'S ALL HEARSAY.
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HM: yes, I could look at the pictures and
tell you how many shots and possibly where they came from up, down,
right, left, and this is intuition, and I couldn't explain how I know
that.
HM: About eight shots.
Thanks Homer. ANOTHER mystery solved.
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HM: I seem to recall it as being a 16 mm, but
that again, we had every kind of projector.
HM: …..I can't really answer that. Most of my reflections are what I
have recalled and remembered after the fact. In other words, I did it
once, and then I recalled it, and remembered it.......
Ah Memories.
But I am CERTAIN in my MEMORY about one thing: Whether it was 8
millimeter or 16 miilimeter or some other millimeter entirely, it was
definitely A PROJECTOR.
I agree with you 100 % And you haven't even gotten the best of it, yet.
It is my humble opinion, that Homer McMahon was a very reluctant
witness, who would never have even been known to ARRB if it wasn't for
their only public hearing on the Z-film that was shown on CSPAN and
caught the attention of Ben Hunter's wife. And after McMahon gave up the
farm, he realized it and did everything he could to discredit himself.
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QUOTE (William Kelly @ Feb 1 2010, 04:36 AM)
And after McMahon gave up the farm, he
realized it and did everything he could to discredit himself.
Well he certainly succeeded in discrediting himself, Bill. His testimony
here is one big JOKE.
Every witness can be discredited, but I think he discredited himself
intentionally, not knowing what the beans were that he spilled.
How do you squeeze the good information from a JOKE?
McMahon's sidekick, Ben Hunter also provides information that you
haven't seen yet, right?
Of course, they really did work for the CIA at NPIC, and it has been
independently verified from Sydney Greybeal that 70-90% of the strategic
intelligence of that time came out of NPIC, where they also figured in
the information obtained from other secret sources - including
Penkovsky, so he got that part right.
So, as a reluctant and discredited witness, everything he says must be
independently verified, and can be.
It just so happens that he is one of the sources of the handwritten
notes on the yellow legal pad, verififed through handwriting, and he did
in fact make the enlarged color prints for the second set of briefing
boards.
Now, did he use the original Z-film as he says, and did it in fact come
from Rochester, the one thing he was positively sure about?
Those who think McMahon discredited or a JOKE don't have to go there.
BK
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ARRB Interview with Homer McMahon. Part III
HM: ......I don't know how the mind works, but I do know I am not.... I
am a recovering drug addict and alcoholic. Do you know what a ....wet
frame is? Well, you're looking at one. I damn near died. And I'm not a
competent witness because I don't have accurate recall. I don't have
absolute recall.
JG: With regards to the other events that you talked about, how do you
think the accuracy is?
HM: I just told you, I don't have a full deck. I don't know how I am
presenting anything here. This is not…at the time I did it I was not
impaired, but I later became impaired. So whether you are talking to a
reliable witness or not, that's up for you to decide.
DH: Shall we move on to the notes? I'm going to go off the record to get
notes that the Archives.
DH: Back on record. Notes: From Record Group 233 – 90A Doc. ID#
1993.07.22.08:41:07-6200 ? Titled Analysis of the Zapruder Fil Date
5-22-1975
I'm now going to hand these notes to Mr. McMahon and to let him read
them and to see if he's seen them before. Look at them and take your
time.
01:16:00 - 01:17:09
HM: Some of the writing is mine. I don't know whose this is.
DH: And the page you are not sure about is….
HM: This is my writing.
DH: What Mahon has identified as his writing is on the backside of the
half page: which reads: "….process….a total of seven hours." That's in
pencil. Below that is some long divisions, and …..That's your writing?
HM: Yes.
DH: What is this the long divisions and additions? Do you recall what
they are?
HM: It's my writing; I think it is either mine or Ben's. Do you have
Ben's handwriting?
DH: I can show you I have one section of the notes that he recalled was
his handwriting, what he said…
HM: This looks like Ben's writing….
DH: Other side, which is a description of briefing board panels…. Panel
one, two, three, four…print number frame number….Ben identified…These
are the only two that he thought was his handwriting. Under Panel One.
HM: This is….this looks like Ben's writing, and this looks like mine.
DH: This is at the bottom of the page where it talks about time between
shots.
HM: I'm not sure about this. This looks like mine and this looks like….
DH: Just for the records, the descriptions of the time it took to make
internegatives and prints is in Mr. McMahon's writing.
HM: This is not my writing.
DH: Okay, Mr. McMahon is now looking at,….what he says that where
it says fifteen frames per second, he says that is not his writing.
HM: This is not my writing. That might be Ben's.
DH: …..Page on the right hand corner reads: "Questions…..first and
second shot?"
HM: Okay, we didn't have……we were told what they thought they were, and
this is what we concluded they were, and this is what we set the
photography to….that's the best I can do….
JG: Do you remember when you prepared the notes that you just looked at?
HM: Yea, we were in the briefing room, in Building 213 in the Navy Yard,
and it was, we were viewing it there because of the equipment.
JG: These were made on the day that you processed…?
HM: Yes, these are fairly accurate times…. 16 frames per second, I
don't know if I agree on the 18 seconds….This might be a further
analysis…..
JG: Do you know if the other person made the notes at the same time…
HM: They conformed, my best recollection, to what we wrote…..I don't
know why I remember that.
DH: You mean the yellow legal size paper?
HM: Yea.
DH: Okay, we would like to show you four briefing board panels that
survived to see if you recognize the prints.
Off The Record While we figure out how to move the briefing board in.
Back on Record:
01:23:51
DH: The date on this Riff Document is 90 – A RIF# 1993.07.21
154804.930600
Briefing Panels containing Zapruder Photos. Dated 11, 23, 1963. I am
handing Mr. McMahon Panel one of four for his examination.
HM: They've been trimmed out but that's what we shot.
DH: You say it's been trimmed?
HM: Yes.
DH: But you recognize it as prints you have made?
HM: Yes. To the best of my knowledge.
DH: We will ask you the same about each panel. This is labeled Panel 2.
HM: Yes.
DH: You also recognize these as photos you made. If at any time you see
something that is not prints you made, please say so. This is Panel 3.
HM: There's some missing.
DH: This is the final panel, Panel 4.
HM: Yes. I did all those.
DH: Now that you've seen all four panels do you feel this is all you
made?
HM: No, there were more.
DH: The notes say, 28, you said earlier there were between 20 and 40.
HM: You mention they went behind the sign and came out again. I don't
think we had all that sequence there….And then there was the FBI….not
the FBI, the body guard, jumping on the back…..and one where his head
fell on her lap
DH: When you say his head you mean the president?
HM: Then again that might have been not used.
DH: Panel 4, has Secret Service Agent Clint Hill on the rear of the
limousine, the only frame that shows him.
HM: I think there might have been two agents no the back, but that was
after the barn door…was closed at that point…..
DH: Let's look at Panel 1…….road sign. Does this sequence seem like it
represents….?
HM: Yes, but I thought there was some before the road sign….maybe they
determined…..
DH: This first frame on Panel 1 – although it is not labeled on the
panel, this is Labeled 188. Do you remember if there were any panels
prior to 188?
HM: Yes… where there was some action of some sort…
DH: I'd like to clarify for the records, …...Did you see the actual
briefing boards that night?
HM: No. I made the pictures, and I made three each, copies of each…..
DH: Did you give them to Mr. Smith when you were finished?
HM: I remember Ben Hunter, and if it was…Smith, or whoever he was, and
Ben Hunter, took them upstairs to make the panels, and I didn't stay. I
didn't stay to see the finished product. They had to….. and I think they
had to put classifications on them, but I'm not positive they did.
DH: In relation to the discussions that were held that night between
you, Mr. Smith and Mr. Hunter, do you have any opinions what these
triangles are, on the first row, a blue triangle…on Panel 2?
HM: I haven't the faintest idea.
DH: Okay…. Do you recall what happened to the inter-negatives?
HM: Yes, all of the information, including the scraps, were given to
Bill Smith. Everything we had, scraps, test sheets, everything, no parts
were saved, we didn't even put it in the classified trash, we gave the
trash back.
DH: Okay. Is there anything about this event that we have not covered,
that we should cover? Anything that comes to mind. That maybe there's
something important that we should cover that we haven't asked you
about?
HM: Yes. You know what opinions are? Opinions, everybody has an opinion,
and yes, I am very opinionated, and I have a lot of opinions, we all
have opinions. I know this is for history, and I don't want to interject
anything into this that shouldn't be. I'm trying to be as open and
honest, and telling what I remember, and I don't have good remembrance.
I'm almost 70 years old, I'm almost 80 years old, I'm almost 90 years
old, I don't know, but that's the best of my knowledge.
DH: Michelle is there anything you wanted to ask?
Michelle: I have one very quick question. Who called you in? Were you in
the building when you were contacted?
HM: Okay, I think that I was, okay when I'm contacted from home, it's by
a security officer, a duty officer, because they probably had to open
the lab, turn on the electricity, lights, and I know it was an all night
affair and there must be some security records, if they kept those
records. …..These had deteriated rather badly. There's die, tremendous
die loss….you could see the pictures, the faces…much clearer when I
originally made them, so there's been a tremendous loss of image and
quality. You've lost about 60% of the ….magenta resin corps coupler, and
….percent of the corps, and …, so there's a lot of information that's
not there. That was a problem with the old resin corps couplers, they
were not stable, buffing solutions couldn't stabilize the dies for 35
years.
DH: Thank you very much for sharing your recollections and opinions, and
…..misunderstood by people, including myself. You've been very helpful.
Thank you very much.
DH: We're back on the record and I just found another photo, bigger than
the others,…
Dated 11/23/6, an 8 by 10 color print of Z-film in between the sign and
the head shot, and on back. Color crown marking 80 x. and I'd like Mr.
McMahon to explain this.
HM: This…2x enlargement.done on a Deveir (?), not a precision enlarger,
it shows, …it was made to show what the enlargement would look like. The
contact print was of a better quality. We had to …do it on a cheaper
Italian….enlarger,… could have gotten equal quality in resolution and
sharpness, but we couldn't for some reason use that equipment and we had
to use a lesser, big enough, go with the sharper resolution. Too much
loss.
DH: Too much loss...
HM: …..from the original 40x interneg, so we elected not to go that way.
DH: So this was a test prior to the prints for the briefing board?
HM: ….were better quality…..
DH: I see, but you didn't?
HM: For some reason it was down.
DH: Is that your writing?
HM: Yes.
DH: It looks like a nine…do you recognize that number...?
TAPE ENDS.....
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HM And I'm not a competent witness because I
don't have accurate recall.
I just told you, I don't have a full deck.
at the time I did it I was not impaired, but I later became impaired. So
whether you are talking to a reliable witness or not, that's up for you
to decide.
Thanks for the Heads-up, Homer.
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I don't know why I remember that.
HM: I think there might have been two agents on the back, but that was
after the barn door…was closed at that point…..
HM: I didn't stay to see the finished product.
HM: I haven't the faintest idea.
Great, Homer. That is very helpful.
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HM: Yes. You know what opinions are?
Opinions, everybody has an opinion, and yes, I am very opinionated, and
I have a lot of opinions, we all have opinions. I know this is for
history, and I don't want to interject anything into this that shouldn't
be. I'm trying to be as open and honest, and telling what I remember
Good man Homer, you tell 'em.
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and I don't have good remembrance. I'm almost
70 years old, I'm almost 80 years old, I'm almost 90 years old, I don't
know, but that's the best of my knowledge.
Well let's just say you're getting up in years, anyway.
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Doug Horne: Thank you very much for sharing
your recollections and opinions, and …..misunderstood by people,
including myself. You've been very helpful. Thank you very much.
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Homer McMahon: We had a complete world beyond facility (ha, ha), a
multi-billion dollar photo lab, that the Kennedy brothers got built for
us in what, three months I think. They moved out of the Steuart right
in.
DH: Did the NPIC relocate after the Cuban Missile Crisis? Was it after
the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962 that you moved?
HM: When was Kennedy's inauguration take place?
DH: January 1961
HM: It was shortly after that.
BK Notes: He got that wrong. It was January 1963 that the new NPIC
opened at the Navy Yard according to:
From: The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIA's Directorate...
In 1962, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and members of the
President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board visited and were shocked
by the conditions at 5th and K and advised the President that
NPIC needed a new building. 3
Kennedy promptly told DCI John McCone "to get them out of that
structure" and wanted to know how soon a move could be accomplished.
McCone recommended that the Naval Gun Factory appeared to be a
reasonable choice but that it would require a year to refurbish it.
Kennedy's reply was "All right, you do it." 4
On January 1, 1963, NPIC move into its new home – Building 213 in the
Washington Navy Yard, often referred to as the "Lundahl Hilton." It was,
according to McCone, a "rags-to-riches" situation. The 200,000 square
feet of floor space meant that hundreds of more workers could be added.
The building had large elevators, air conditioning, and good security.
Most of all, it was the national center that Lundahl had envisioned
almost ten years earlier. Most people in the building worked for the CIA
- the people who typed letters, drove courier trucks, ran the computes
and library searches, and produced he graphics. 5
But the photo interpreters came from the CIA, DIA, Army, Navy, Air
Force, and other organizations. An Air Force interpreter who studied
photos of Soviet silos might ride the elevator with a CIA interpreter
who pored over photos of Chinese nuclear facilities and a Navy
representative whose safe was filled with the latest photography of
Soviet submarines.
Of course, the environment at the Washington Navy Yard, itself located
in a rundown area of Washington, was far from luxurious. And working in
a building whose windows, for security reasons, were bricked up
certainly could be claustrophobic. But at least NPIC personnel were
located in a larger facility with some amenities.
Even before the first KH-9 mission, NPIC officials, including director
Arthur Lundahl and senior manager Dino Brugioni, realized that…..
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BK Notes: He got that wrong. It was January
1963 that the new NPIC opened at the Navy Yard
Hey Bill, give poor Homer a break. He was only off by a couple of years,
and that's nothing for a guy who's almost 70 or almost 80 or almost 90
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QUOTE (William Kelly @ Feb 1 2010, 05:21 PM)
BK Notes: He got that wrong. It was January
1963 that the new NPIC opened at the Navy Yard
Hey Bill, give poor Homer a break. He was only off by a couple of years,
and that's nothing for a guy who's almost 70 or almost 80 or almost 90
years old.
Gotta laugh too. NPIC had EVERYTHING, money was no object...except for a
film processor to process the long roll film from the KH-9's. Maybe
Kelly and Horne can explain that away.
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QUOTE (Craig Lamson @ Feb 1 2010, 05:39 PM)
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QUOTE (William Kelly @ Feb 1 2010, 05:21 PM)
BK Notes: He got that wrong. It was January
1963 that the new NPIC opened at the Navy Yard
Hey Bill, give poor Homer a break. He was only off by a couple of years,
and that's nothing for a guy who's almost 70 or almost 80 or almost 90
years old.
Gotta laugh too. NPIC had EVERYTHING, money was no object...except for a
film processor to process the long roll film from the KH-9's. Maybe
Kelly and Horne can explain that away.
It's not my intention to explain anything away.
This is the CIA's guy, not mine.
And I understand however old he is, he's still alive, so he can be
called back to a be questioned properly before a Conressional Oversight
Hearing, if they ever hold any.