Here is the subject we are addressing>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm

 

 

<ecagetx@tx.rr.com> wrote in message news:1180588654.652028.282890@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

Sorry Tom.. No you did not post a timeline..
Nor can I if I just say "check the official
records." The trip to 700 North Beckley was
logged as 12:30 to 12:45."  That's in the
official records okay.. But I wouldn't use
it.. It's wrong. 

 

Disagreeing with the WCR AGAIN???

Changing the WCR facts AGAIN?

 

The official timing
according to DPD HQs Dispatch was bracketed
to establish Tippit's death at between 1:12
to 1:16 pm.. But even though that's from the
official DPD Dispatch records it could be wrong..
Calloway puts the shooting at circa 1:12-1:13pm..
That's in the "official records."  But will Tom
Rossley use any of those three quotes from the
"Official records?"  Of course not..

 

Calloway was NOT there, Markham WAS.

She said 1:06.

 

She KNEW because she caught the 1:12 bus for work EVERY DAY.

 

 

Citation for Calloway Please?

Was Calloway AT the scene?

 

Sak.O.Nutz is quite selective in what he fishes
out of the wide range of conflicting "official
records"  ( This is why you stand alone Tom. )

 

NUTSACK-SUCKER;

You/Yours represent 10% who believe the WCR.

WHO's Alone?

.         ***************************
 Who else thinks Oswald didn't kill Tippit and the
pistol and the discarded jacket don't mean anything?
           You're alone Sak.O.Nutz
        ***************************
There are Unanswered questions on the pistol Bunky.

The jacket was NOT Oswald's.   Read Marina's testimony.

You have a HABIT of Losing NUTSACK-SUCKER.

  You and your interpretation and almost comical
        conclusions are alone Sak.O.Nutz

 

What's "COMICAL" is that 1 by 1 you are REJECTING the WC's Claims.

  Now let's chat about how you discovered the
        Z film was ( gULp ) *altered*

          America wants to know!!!!

                   MR ;~D
You sound like you're having a Hard Time swallowing a Trucker ed.

 

Here is official Proof they Altered the "Z" film>>>  http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm

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On May 30, 11:05 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> I Already DID post the Tippit timeline ed.
>
> It's from the official records of the WCR that you Accept.
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
>
> You Sure are Uncomfortable with the WCR records aren't you.
>
> NOW, we Both know they LIED.
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
>
> <ecag...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180575742.465555.150420@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Still unable to post a Tippit timeline eh Tom?
>
> > Why can't you do what I just did?  I think the
> > answer is you fear close scrutiny.. I don't.
> > I don't have to use broad generalities. I can
> > post a timeline:
>
> > This is a good example of why you have
> > so consistently and repeatedly failed
> > to convince anyone Tom.. Yet, Bugliosi
> > and the WCR and the HSCA are essentially
> > on the same page.. But not Sad.Sack.O.Nutz..
>
> > I posted a **READABLE** timeline..
> > Sak.O.nutz "responds" with more "read
> > the official records" rhetoric!! Never
> > mind that the "official records" show
> > Oswald was dropped off at 12:45.. RH
> > still rounds it up to 12:52!
>
> > The reason you can't put your timeline
> > into actual words Tom, is because you
> > apparently fear close scrutiny.. Yet
> > I did it and so did Bugliosi.. But not
> > Scrotum "See the official records" Man.
>
> > You have failed again Tom.. Out of fear
> > you would be even further exposed than
> > you already have been..
>
> >          **********
> > Do you think I could just say "16
> >   minutes is plenty of time?"
> >          **********
>
> > Yet that's what you essentially do:
> > Sak.O.Nutz ON:
> > "Prove tyhat you can walk .85 mile in TWO (2) Minutes."
> > Sak.O.Nutz OFF
>
> > Nonetheless here's my timeline and you are
> > unable or unwilling to do someting like
> > this:
> >          ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > Sak.O.Nutz:
> > I posted my Tippit timeline; I have walked the routes.. Patton @
> > Tenth, 1026 N. Beckley, Jefferson, the TT..
> > Yet you post some vague "the official records" claim to avoid putting
> > your Tippit timeline in writing as I did mine..
> > Here's what I posted since you "love it when I repeat my posts." How
> > about posting your timeline Tom-Kook?:
>
> > 1) Tom one of the many problems you have is referring to "official
> > records" in a manner that does account for the fact that "official
> > records" are in large part compiled from hearsay, estimates both
> > accurate and inaccurate, and interpretations.
>
> > 2) Additionally you do what so many researchers do on both sides of
> > the aisle.. (Not just CTers).. You lock into what fits your agenda,
> > then tend to disregard conflicting input that doesn't fit your
> > predetermined ultimate conclusion.
>
> > 3) According to RH which you will receive in the mail this week,
> > cabdriver William Whaley logged the 6 minute trip to 700 North
> > Beckley, not 500 as Oswald originally suggested as 12:30 to 12:45. No
> > cause for alarm here, the fares were recorded in 15 minute
> > increments.
> > Bugliosi puts the drop-off at 12:52 pm on page 68 of RH but does not
> > explain how he arrived at adding seven minutes, but clearly 12:45 pm
> > was too early and 12:52 seems justified. (I hope you noticed that one
> > part of the "official records" was dropped because it didn't seem
> > correct.) This move helps your case that Oswald didn't kill Tippit
> > but
> > it is fair and objective.
>
> > 4) Unless one believes Oswald lingered around, that would put him at
> > the 2610 boarding house at about 12:55. Accounts by housekeeper
> > Earlene Roberts (page 70) are that she said, "You sure are in a
> > hurry"
> > and that Oswald "rushed" out. VB does not offer a timeline here but
> > I'd say he was out the door by 12:56.. A guess. She does say he was
> > "standing" at the bus stop but indications it was only a quick glance
> > on her part. I find it difficult to believe he just "stood" there for
> > any length of time.
>
> > 5) Fast forward ahead.. It appears by locking in time accounts from
> > Markham, Scoggins, Benavides, Tatum, Barbara and Virginia Davis,
> > Callaway, Searcy, Reynolds, Russell, Lewis, Patterson, est. 1:13 pm,
> > it would certainly appear that a 1:12 pm murder time is likely.
> > Individuals do make time estimate errors but a group of people has a
> > better chance of arriving at a more likely shooting time; 1:12pm - My
> > words here but VB's account is on pages 68 thru 80.
>
> > 6) Also take into account accounts by people like shoe clerk Brewer
> > who saw Oswald ducking in and out of store fronts as cop cars raced
> > up
> > and down Jefferson.
> >       Why would Oswald do that?
>
> > 7) The arrest at the Texas Theater occurred at a more precise time
> > but
> > still an estimate: 1:50 pm, an estimated 80 minutes after the
> > assassination.
>
> > 8) Back to the journey from 2610 North Beckley to Tenth & Patton.
> > That
> > time span is an estimated 16 minutes.  I have tried alternate routes
> > from 2610 to Tenth & Patton and 16 minutes is very realistic, but
> > brisk. Other investigators and documentaries have found Oswald's trip
> > time from 1026 North Beckley to Tenth at Patton to be equally
> > feasible.
>
> > 9) Oswald who had just killed the President was walking briskly..
> > That
> > appears to be the reason Tippit was suspicious.. That and the
> > reasonable likeness to Brennan's description.
>
> > 10) IMPORTANT: The call from Tippit at 1:08 certainly appears to be
> > when he began *tailing* not stopping Oswald who was quite possibly
> > walking quickly and looking around. (Speculation but offered by DPD
> > HQ, not me.)
>
> > * Tom the timeline for Oswald to kill Tippit appears to be there. I
> > have walked it.
>
> > * The witnesses certainly are there. Several made positive IDs.
>
> > * Oswald was also seen ducking in and out of storefronts on Jefferson
> > immediately after Tippit's slaying!
> >    --- Why would Oswald do that? ---
>
> > * Why did Oswald duck into the TT (illegally) without paying?
>
> > * What appears to have been his jacket was found along the escape
> > route from Tenth & Patton to the TT. It makes one wonder what Oswald
> > was doing there and how he could possibly have the cursed bad luck of
> > being in the immediate vicinity of what appears to be a dead ringer
> > for Oswald if it wasn't him.. Isn't it more likely it was Oswald?
>
> > LAST BUT NOT LEAST: Who in hell *planted* the pistol that killed
> > Tippit on Oswald if he didn't kill Tippit himself?  (A great question
> > posed by Chuck who hand-cuffed CTers with this brilliant question.)
>
> > You can take a look at RH when you get it Tom and compare
> > my notes. I gave pages.. Perhaps I overlooked something
> > but it appears at this early stage:
>
> > .           **********
> >   VB has hand-cuffed the CTers.
> > .           **********
>
> >            ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
> > MR ;~D
> > Ed Cage
> > Rossleyafraidtoposttimeline
>
> > On May 30, 7:14 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Good ed;
>
> >> I see you don't like the WCR's accounting.
>
> >> Thanks
>
> >> NOW do you wanna Change any of these Others???
>
> >> ttp://www.whokilledjfk.net/spy.htmhttp://www.whokilledjfk.net/danrather.htm...
>
> >> OR, are you TOO Chickenshit to address them?
>
> >> <ecag...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1180569264.632086.238460@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > This is a good example of why you have
> >> > so consistently and repeatedly failed
> >> > to convince anyone Tom.. Yet, Bugliosi
> >> > and the WCR and the HSCA are essentially
> >> > on the same page.. But not Sad.Sack.O.Nutz..
>
> >> > I posted a **READABLE** timeline..
> >> > Sak.O.nutz "responds" with more "read
> >> > the official records" rhetoric!! Never
> >> > mind that the "official records" show
> >> > Oswald was dropped off at 12:45.. RH
> >> > still rounds it up to 12:52!
>
> >> > The reason you can't put your timeline
> >> > into actual words Tom, is because you
> >> > apparently fear close scrutiny.. Yet
> >> > I did it and so did Bugliosi.. But not
> >> > Scrotum "See the official records" Man.
>
> >> > You have failed again Tom.. Out of fear
> >> > you would be even further exposed than
> >> > you already have been..
>
> >> >          **********
> >> > Do you think I could just say "16
> >> >   minutes is plenty of time?"
> >> >          **********
>
> >> > Yet that's what you essentially do:
> >> > Sak.O.Nutz ON:
> >> > "Prove tyhat you can walk .85 mile in TWO (2) Minutes."
> >> > Sak.O.Nutz OFF
>
> >> > Nonetheless here's my timeline and you are
> >> > unable or unwilling to do someting like
> >> > this:
> >> >          ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >> > Sak.O.Nutz:
> >> > I posted my Tippit timeline; I have walked the routes.. Patton @
> >> > Tenth, 1026 N. Beckley, Jefferson, the TT..
> >> > Yet you post some vague "the official records" claim to avoid putting
> >> > your Tippit timeline in writing as I did mine..
> >> > Here's what I posted since you "love it when I repeat my posts." How
> >> > about posting your timeline Tom-Kook?:
>
> >> > 1) Tom one of the many problems you have is referring to "official
> >> > records" in a manner that does account for the fact that "official
> >> > records" are in large part compiled from hearsay, estimates both
> >> > accurate and inaccurate, and interpretations.
>
> >> > 2) Additionally you do what so many researchers do on both sides of
> >> > the aisle.. (Not just CTers).. You lock into what fits your agenda,
> >> > then tend to disregard conflicting input that doesn't fit your
> >> > predetermined ultimate conclusion.
>
> >> > 3) According to RH which you will receive in the mail this week,
> >> > cabdriver William Whaley logged the 6 minute trip to 700 North
> >> > Beckley, not 500 as Oswald originally suggested as 12:30 to 12:45. No
> >> > cause for alarm here, the fares were recorded in 15 minute
> >> > increments.
> >> > Bugliosi puts the drop-off at- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -...
>
> read more »

 

<ecagetx@tx.rr.com> wrote in message news:1180381270.669308.274370@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> 1) Tom one of the many problems you have is referring to "official
> records" in a manner that does account for the fact that "official
> records" are in large part compiled from hearsay, estimates both
> accurate and inaccurate, and interpretations.

ed;

"Official Records" are taken from "evidence/testimony".

MY references to "official records" are to "evidence/testimony".

Evidence/testimony are the very Basis to our Judicial System.

Heresay is NOT allowed in official Investigations.

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> 2) Additionally you do what so many researchers do on both sides of
> the aisle.. (Not just CTers).. You lock into what fits your agenda,
> then tend to disregard conflicting input that doesn't fit your
> predetermined ultimate conclusion.
 
ed;

The very Basis for "Reasonable Doubt" is Conflicting evidence/testimony. 

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> 3) According to RH which you will receive in the mail this week,
> cabdriver William Whaley logged the 6 minute trip to 700 North
> Beckley, not 500 as Oswald originally suggested as 12:30 to 12:45. No
> cause for alarm here, the fares were recorded in 15 minute
> increments.

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WRONG AGAIN ED;

See Volume XVI page 975 for CE-382.  (It seems that RH lies as much as you do)

 

    Already proven that the trip from the Greyhound bus station TO 500 N Beckley cost .95 cents.

 

Trip Log entries are NOT recorded by 15 minute increments.  See http://whokilledjfk.net/ed_cage_page.htm

Whaley logged his trips in FIVE (5) minute increments.

 

 

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> Bugliosi puts the drop-off at 12:52 pm on page 68 of RH but does not
> explain how he arrived at adding seven minutes, but clearly 12:45 pm
> was too early and 12:52 seems justified. (I hope you noticed that one
> part of the "official records" was dropped because it didn't seem
> correct.) This move helps your case that Oswald didn't kill Tippit
> but it is fair and objective.
 

My point Exactly.

You Criminals must CHANGE the facts to fit a lone assassin.
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> 4) Unless one believes Oswald lingered around, that would put him at
> the 2610 boarding house at about 12:55. Accounts by housekeeper
> Earlene Roberts (page 70) are that she said, "You sure are in a
> hurry" and that Oswald "rushed" out. VB does not offer a timeline here but
> I'd say he was out the door by 12:56.. A guess. She does say he was
> "standing" at the bus stop but indications it was only a quick glance
> on her part. I find it difficult to believe he just "stood" there for
> any length of time.

You don't even know the correct address....it was 1026 N. Beckley. 

Earlene Roberts said Oswald came in about 1:00 OR, A LITTLE AFTER.

Earlene also said she saw Oswald standing at the North side bus stop (wrong direction) a minute or 2 later.

BUSTED AGAIN ED.

 

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> 5) Fast forward ahead.. It appears by locking in time accounts from
> Markham, Scoggins, Benavides, Tatum, Barbara and Virginia Davis,
> Callaway, Searcy, Reynolds, Russell, Lewis, Patterson, est. 1:13 pm,
> it would certainly appear that a 1:12 pm murder time is likely.
> Individuals do make time estimate errors but a group of people has a
> better chance of arriving at a more likely shooting time; 1:12pm - My
> words here but VB's account is on pages 68 thru 80.

Bugliosi's "Lying estimates" are NOT official records.

Witness Helen Markham said the shooting occurred at 1:06. See>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm

T F Bowley said Tippit was already Dead when he arrived at 1:10.

At the end of Benevides testimony, Belin asked; "is there anything we didn't cover here that we discussed BEFORE the stenographer came in?  (Benevides)  "Well, maybe just the TIMING".

See  http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
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> 6) Also take into account accounts by people like shoe clerk Brewer
> who saw Oswald ducking in and out of store fronts as cop cars raced
> up and down Jefferson. Why would Oswald do that?

Johnny Brewer said Oswald ducked into HIS shoe VESTIBULE store ONLY.

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> 7) The arrest at the Texas Theater occurred at a more precise time
> but still an estimate: 1:50 pm, an estimated 80 minutes after the assassination.

> 8) Back to the journey from 2610 North Beckley to Tenth & Patton.
> That time span is an estimated 16 minutes.  I have tried alternate routes
> from 2610 to Tenth & Patton and 16 minutes is very realistic, but
> brisk. Other investigators and documentaries have found Oswald's trip
> time from 2610 North Beckley to Tenth at Patton to be equally
> feasible.

 Are you Dyslexic?