WALLY'S LATEST ...HE SAID I DON' HAVE SEVERAL COPIES OF RAY MARCUS'S "THE BASTARD BULLET.

On Feb 3, 3:05 pm, tom...@cox.net wrote:
> Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 3, 8:04=A0am, tom...@cox.net wrote:
> > > Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 6:18=3DA0pm, tom...@cox.net wrote:
> > > > > Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 2, 4:24=3D3DA0pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Feb 3, 4:27=3D3DA0am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 10:50=3D3DA0pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 7:36=3D3DA0am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.
net>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > There's some interesting things in this book.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed there are some interesting things in Shaw's book
 "
> > > > > > > > > > Cover=3D
> > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > Up"....
>
> > > > > > > > > > The most interesting thing in the book is the publicati
on
> > > > > > > > > > o=
> > f
> > > > > > > > > > th=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > original evidence inventory list and the bogus evidence
> > > > > > > > > > invento=3D
> > > > ry
> > > > > > > > > > l=3D3D
> > > > > > ist
> > > > > > > > > > ( CE003)..... =3D3DA0The original list proves that th
e
> > > > > > > > > > FBI =
> > had
> > > > > > > > > > th=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > palm print " off the underside of rifle near foregrip
> > > > > > > > > > C2766=
> > "
> > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0when the evidence was turned over to the FBI a
t
> > > > > > > > > > midn=
> > ight
> > > > > > > > > > 11-22-63...
>
> > > > > > > > > > They claimed Lt J.C. Day never told them about the palm
> > > > > > > > > > pri=
> > nt
> > > > > > > > > > h=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > ha=3D3D
> > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > lifted from the rifle. =3D3DA0 The evidence sheet pro
ves
> > > > > > > > > > th=
> > at
> > > > > > > > > > the=3D
> > > > y
> > > > > > > > > > were lying. =3D3DA0 The FBI Lab tech in Washington D.
C.
> > > > > > > > > > examined =3D
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > smudge=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0on
> > > > > > > > > > 11-23-63 =3D3DA0and found it usless as evidence.
>
> > > > > > > > > You mean you are unable to locate CE003 in the 26 volumes
> > > > > > > > > but you persist in concocting CRAZY tjheories about the J
FK
> > > > > > > > > case?
>
> > > > > > > > > There is NO CE003.
>
> > > > > > > > Brilliant!!...... Absolutely brilliant!!.... =3D3DA0
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0You=
> > r
> > > > > > > > right =3D
> > > > there
> > > > > > > > is=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0no
> > > > > > > > CE003 =3D3DA0but there is a CE 2003 which is a FAKE (alte
red)
> > > > > > > > evidenc=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > inventory list of the items that were turned over to the FB
I
> > > > > > > > on the evening of 11 /22 /63
>
> > > > > > > > J.Gary Shaw found a copy of the ORIGINAL evidence inventory
> > > > > > > > lis=
> > t
> > > > > > > > in the files of the Texas Rangers and printed in his 1976
> > > > > > > > book "Cover- up".
>
> > > > > > > > That original list has the so called "palm print" listed as
> > > > > > > > one of the items that was released to the FBI at midnight
> > > > > > > > that nigh=
> > t.
>
> > > > > > > > The official lie says that Lt Day never told the FBI about
> > > > > > > > the =
> > so
> > > > > > > > called "palm print" =3D3DA0until about a week later.
>
> > > > > > > > The original list that is printed in the book "Cover-up"
> > > > > > > > describes the "palm print "
>
> > > > > > > > (Typing from memory here)
>
> > > > > > > > item # 7) =3D3DA0 White file card bearing cellophane tape
.
> > > > > > > > inscribed.=3D
> > > > ...
> > > > > > > > "off underside gun barrell (sic) near end of foregrip
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0C2=
> > 766
> > > > > > > > " signed =3D3DA0JC Day 11 -22 -63
>
> > > > > > > > That white file card that is listed on the original evidenc
e
> > > > > > > > us=
> > es
> > > > > > > > t=3D
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > EXACT wording that is on CE 639 ( the so called palm print)
> > > > > > > > the typist even used the misspelling of the word "barrel" a
s
> > > > > > > > barrel=
> > l.
>
> > > > > > > > FBI finger print expert Sabastiam Latona examined the smudg
e
> > > > > > > > onthe tape on the file card on 11/ 23 /63 and filed a repor
t
> > > > > > > > th=
> > at
> > > > > > > > said th=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > smudge couldn't be identified as a print, and it was useles
s
> > > > > > > > fo=
> > r
> > > > > > > > identification purposes.
>
> > > > > > > > > CE3 is a collection of photos, including of Edwin Walker'
s
> > > > > > > > > home.
>
> > > > > > > > > One again you simply have NO IDEA what you are talking
> > > > > > > > > about.
>
> > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone else does, either...
>
> > > > > > > > > Concerned Regards,
>
> > > > > > > > > Tim Brennan
> > > > > > > > > Sydney, Australia
> > > > > > > > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> > > > > > > > > *...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the
> > > > > > > > > head =
> > or
> > > > > > > > > t=3D
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > > neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
> > > > > > > > > Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII
> > > > > > > > > 261-262=3D
> > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the
> > > > > > > > > head...http://ww=3D3D
> > > > > > w.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol...
>
> > > > > > > Well no wonder people can't follow your crazy theories if you
> > > > > > > giv=
> > e
> > > > > > > completely STUPID citations like CE003.
>
> > > > > > > Where is your proof that the list was altered?
>
> > > > > > It's in Shaw's book....... =3DA0I had hoped that someone who 
had
> > > > > > th=
> > at
> > > > > > boo=3D
> > > > k
> > > > > > would post a link to the original list. Tomnln said he's got
> > > > > > severa=
> > l
> > > > > > copies of the book but I think he's a liar.
> > > > > >get off of your dead ass and do your own research you cheap
> > > > > >fucking freeloader ! ! !
>
> > > > > do you want o buy the book o, not? ? ?
>
> > > > What the hell?.... =A0I'm not going to send you a blank check
> > > > ...what's your price?
>
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
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> > > D=
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> > 3D=
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
> > > D FOR YOU, WALT; =A0 $175.00 PLUS SHIPPING. PUT UP OR, SHUT UP
> > > FREELOADER! ! !
>
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
> > > D=
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> > 3D=
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> > Ha,ha,ha,ha,hee,hee,hee.....   Even a senile old nut like you would
> > know that nobody would pay $175.0 dollars for that book.....  So by
> > setting the price that high, you know you won't have to deliver it, so
> > you can continue to lie, and pretend you have the book.
>
> > > > > It simply sounds like a disagreement between experts.
>
> > > > > > > Day, who got it first, made the lift when it was fresh and
> > > > > > > identified it as Oswald.
>
> > > > > > > Latona, who got the lift later, couldn't identify it.
>
> > > > > > > To construe that that means Oswald's prints were never on the
> > > > > > > rif=
> > le
> > > > > > > i=3D
> > > > s
> > > > > > > simply laughable.
>
> > > > > > > Especially as Scalice re-examined the evidence and found prin
ts
> > > > > > > a=
> > s
> > > > > > > well.
>
> > > > > > > Corrective Regards,
>
> > > > > > > Tim Brennan
> > > > > > > Sydney, Australia
> > > > > > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> > > > > > > *...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head 
or
> > > > > > > t=
> > he
> > > > > > > neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
> > > > > > > Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII
> > > > > > > 261-262=
> > .
>
> > > > > > > And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the
> > > > > > > head...http://www.hi=3D3D
> > > > > > story-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol...
>
> > > > > > > X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!
>
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> TYPICAL THINKING OF A CHEAP FREELOADER.
>
> I WILL TAKE A PICTURE OF THEM & POST IT
>
> I JUST LOVE PROVING WHAT AN ASSHOLE YOU ARE ! ! !

I'm waiting..............

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I POST.  (XVII page 170) 

SURE!  WALLY  SURE !

Wally World can NOT Understand how these bullets could be described as "steel jacketed?

I can NOT understand how they would be described as "copper jacketed"???

Here's Wally's Latest Bullshit>>>

9-16-09

-Duh!.... The FBI said that the "Magic Bullet" (CE 399) was
manufactured by Western Cartridge Company, and there are letters from
officials at WCC that acknowledge that the WCC did in fact manufacture
CE 399.   So it is a FACT that WCC manufacturered the "magic
bullet"  ( for the CIA by the way)

NEVER ANY CITATIONS ! ! !

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On 9-17-09 Wally World wrote;

On Sep 17, 6:26 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/bagpaper.htm

Mr Ball: "Did you ever see a paper sack in the items that were taken

from the Texas School Book Depository building?"

Detective John Hicks (DPD Crime Lab): "No, sir; I did not." (7H 289)

See page 552 of Pics of the Pain..... How do you explain Detective
John Hicks answer??

On page 552 there is a photo of detective L.D.Montgomery carrying
"something" with a curved handle with a large bag over it.

                    ***********************************

Here's page 552 from POP

Can anyone help me see a "Curved Handle"?

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Wally World is the Joe Isuzu of the JFK Assassination,

SEE>>>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQiahnitSqs&feature=PlayList&p=4AEB09F61F95300B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

I WRITE;  Volume XXI page 217.

Here's the latest e-mail from Wally World with my reply;

MOVE BOXES   Givens Volume VI

          Mr. BELIN.  That would be near the east wall of the building?

                                                349

Page 350

          Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir.

          Mr. BELIN. You can see a scale here that is from 0 to 20 feet.  Well, it would be about 30 to 40 feet north of the south wall of that building, is that right?

          Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir.

          Mr. BELIN. And around 10 feet or so away from the east wall, is that about right?

          Mr. GIVENS. That is about right.

          Mr. BELIN. Now, did you notice whether or not there were any cartons stacked up around the southeast corner of that sixth floor?

          Mr. GIVENS. Well, I didn't pay any attention about any being stacked, because we had taken all that stock from that side of the building and ran it down that side.

          Mr. BELIN. You had taken stock down from the west part of the sixth floor where you were working and put it there?

          Mr. GIVENS. Yes; ran it down the side right in front of the window.

HSCA Volume VI-109

----- Original Message -----

From: Walt

To: tomnln

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:25 AM

Subject: Re: What the hell is your problem??

Tom, I think you're as stupid as Rob.....   You latch on to some weak piece of evidence and then the whole case revolves around that single piece of crap. Like the steel jacketed bullet.                              That is NOT smart....  You once again revealed your lack of character when you first put up the photo of Oswald's gray  shirt. and then changed it to that photo that was taken with a film that makes everything have a brown tone.   As far as I'm concerned your a worthless piece of shit. You probably haven't noticed but you have only ONE supporter in the NG....And he's nuttier than a walnut tree.    I don't intend to engage you in your obscene juvenile insults.  Either clean up your act and start showing the wisedom that a man of your age should posess, or continue to lose more and more respect. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wally, Wally, Wally;

 

#1  Only WCR Supporters would call FOUR (4) Seperate Official Records of a Steel Jacketed Bullet from the Walker shooting  "weak evidence".

 

SEE>>>   http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm

 

#2  The first scan I did at 75 dpi.

       The second (clearer) scan I did at 200 dpi.

       BOTH the same picture.

 

#3  My being viewed as a "worthless piece of shit" by a WCR Shill is my badge of Honor.

 

#4  Unlike you, I'm NOT here for a popularity contest.

 

#5  You don't wanna engage me in juvenile insults because you SUCK at that TOO. (ALTHOUGH YOU STARTED IT)

 

#6  You seem to depend on this man of my age WISDOM for evidence/testimony for the past 8 Years.

 

#7  Respect is earned by one who gives Citations for his posts.

 

#8  I Always give Citations.......You always offer Unsubstantiated Speculations that always support the WCR.

 

 

As for Support ! ! !

 

Here's a partial list of your LN'r supporters...

chuck

david V P

mucher

timmy

justme

JLeyden

bill clarke

russ burr

bigdog

Yo(Momma)Harvey

 

The list of your Bullshit Speculations are still listed below.

You're STILL Running from your own words.  

 

You're STILL a WCR SHILL ! ! !

 

( GLAD your ready, this will look good on your page on the website.)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: tomnln

To: Walt

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:08 PM

Subject: Re: What the hell is your problem??

Need I remind you that it was YOU who started the insults?

 

You've been asking me to give you evidence/testimony all the way back to when you participated in my chat room on Paltalk.

 

You've been making Wild Speculations on the newsgroups for Years, making CT's look BAD.

 

When I asked you for a Citation that CE-133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts" you responded with an Insult.

 

Our relationship has been going Down Hill ever since.

 

SEE>>>   http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm

HERE are Wally World's Commercials for the WCR ! ! !

 

I use YOUR words ONLY ! ! !

 

When you Speculate, you're No Better than the WC.

 

Walt never proved that the rifle in CE-133A had "Dual Sling Mounts".
Walt never proved that LHO worked for RFK.
Walt never proved that General Walker called Germany .
Walt never proved Mike Paine gave the DPD a copy of the CE-133A photo
   on 11/22/63.
Walt never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car
   (allegedly LHO’s).
Walt never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle as LHO (Carcano
   40”).
Walt never proved General Walker believed LHO shot at him in 4/63.
Walt never proved that Capt. O A Jones said LHO shot AT General Walker
   in 4/63.
Walt never proved LHO received a 40” Carcano rifle.
Walt never proved that the bill of lading proved a 40" Carcano was
   ordered by LHO.
Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker in 4/63.
Walt never proved that LHO ordered a 40” Carcano rifle.
Walt never proved his claim that LHO altered his OWN chin in CE-133A.
Walt never proved his claim that a 6.5mm was fired from a "sabot".
Walt never proved his claim that the CIA was going to "rescue LHO."
Walt never proved there was a clip inside the Carcano when it was
   found at the TSBD.
Walt never proved LHO ordered a rifle that was easily traceable so he
   could shoot at Gen. Walker with it.
Walt never proved Marcello was a "payroll runner" for RFK.
Walt never proved that Truly held a “roll call” and LHO was the ONLY
   one missing.
Walt never proved the casings found at the TSBD (6.5mm ammo) came from a  Marine Corps order for the CIA.
Walt never proved DeMohrenschildt actually owned the 40” Carcano
    allegedly ordered from Klein’s.
Walt never proved that the bullet recovered from Walker shooting was
   copper-jacketed.
Walt never proved 133A (deMohrenschildt BY photo) came from the SAME
   negative as CE-133A.
Walt never proved LHO went to Mexico City in Sept./Oct. 1963.
Walt never proved his claim that the DPD showed Weitzman a Mauser on
   11/22/63.
Walt never proved that George DeMohrenschildt purchased the money
   order used allegedly for the Carcano rifle order.
Walt never proved Marina did in fact take CE-133A (backyard photo),
   and it is AUTHENTIC.
Walt never proved Fritz was just sloppy when timing the arrest report
   ELEVEN minutes BEFORE LHO was arrested.
Walt never proved the weight listed on the “Bill of lading” was TARE
   weight.
Walt never proved the weight of the 40” Carcano is 7.5LBS when the ad
   the WC used says 7.0LBS.
Walt never proved a “signed affadavit with a notary seal” signed by
   the LHO saying he was going to hijack a plane and make the pilot fly
   him to Cuba EVER existed.
Walt never proved the rifle found on the roof was a DPD shotgun and
   NOT a Mauser as the Mentesana film shows.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Walt

To: tomnln

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:58 AM

Subject: What the hell is your problem??

Why do you want to pick a fight with me??   Are you so godamned dumb that you'd support any LNer simply because you dislike me??                                                                                          I've tried to avoid confrontations with you simply because it's not good for our common cause....But if you want to fight.... I'm ready.  

In his effort to support the WCR claim that the Walker bullet was "copper-Jacketed, Wally STUPIDLY shows us an Exhibit                                                   from Box 20 on the DPD website.

The Bottom Paragraph specifically describes the bullet as "STEEL JACKETED".

When I use my adversaries own words to Defeat them I call it "VERBAL JUDO".

Apparently Wally World employs "VERBAL SUICIDE".

Here's a few LIES THAT WALLY WORLD HAS TO ANSWER FOR>>>

Wally World wrote;

Cakehauz   View profile  More options Feb 11 2000, 4:00 am Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk From: cakeh...@aol.com (Cakehauz) Date: 2000/02/11 Subject: Re: Croft Trajectory through the throat for Walt (graphic) Reply to author | Forward | Print | View thread | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author   >Subject: Re: Croft Trajectory through the throat for Walt (graphic) >From: "John Hunt" jm...@efortress.com >Date: 2/10/00 7:36 PM EST >Message-id: <fQIo4.37128$ox5.9199...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com> >"Believe me, 'cause I say it is so" is your battle >cry. Dear Mr. Runt....You could not be more full of  sh.....Yourself.....I would NEVER want anybody to accept something I say without checking the facts...Since you are an egotist and a liar, I doubt that you will admit it ...but you have to know that I always give reference to check against my posts.....And even if you won't admit it most lurkers know that this is a fact... Now here's a kleenex....dry yer tears... Walt   My My, How things CHANGE!  Huh Wally? Notice another Alias. (above)

NOT in THESE Stupid Claims of yours Wally>>>

Hey Walt;

 Walt never proved that the rifle in CE-133A had "Dual Sling Mounts".

 Walt never proved that LHO worked for RFK.
 Walt never proved that General Walker called Germany.
 Walt never proved Mike Paine gave the DPD a copy of the CE-133A photo
 on 11/22/63.
 Walt never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car
 (allegedly LHO's).
 Walt never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle as LHO (Carcano
 40").
 Walt never proved General Walker believed LHO shot at him in 4/63.
 Walt never proved that Capt. O A Jones said LHO shot AT General Walker
 in 4/63.
 Walt never proved LHO received a 40" Carcano rifle.
 Walt never proved that the bill of lading proved a 40" Carcano was
 ordered by LHO.
 Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker in 4/63.
 Walt never proved that LHO ordered a 40" Carcano rifle.
 Walt never proved his claim that LHO altered his OWN chin in CE-133A.
 Walt never proved his claim that a 6.5mm was fired from a"sabot".                                                                                                                                       

 Walt never proved his claim that the CIA was going to "rescue LHO."
 Walt never proved there was a clip inside the Carcano when it was
 found at the TSBD.
 Walt never proved LHO ordered a rifle that was easily traceable so he
 could shoot at Gen. Walker with it.
 Walt never proved Marcello was a "payroll runner" for RFK.
 Walt never proved that Truly held a "roll call" and LHO was the ONLY
 one missing.
 Walt never proved the casings found at the TSBD (6.5mm ammo) came from a
 Marine Corps order for the CIA.
 Walt never proved DeMohrenschildt actually owned the 40" Carcano
 allegedly ordered from Klein's.
 Walt never proved that the bullet recovered from Walker shooting was
 copper-jacketed.
 Walt never proved 133A (deMohrenschildt BY photo) came from the SAME
 negative as CE-133A.
 Walt never proved LHO went to Mexico City in Sept./Oct. 1963.
 Walt never proved his claim that the DPD showed Weitzman a Mauser on
 11/22/63.
 Walt never proved that George DeMohrenschildt purchased the money
 order used allegedly for the Carcano rifle order.
 Walt never proved Marina did in fact take CE-133A (backyard photo),
 and it is AUTHENTIC.
 Walt never proved Fritz was just sloppy when timing the arrest report
 ELEVEN minutes BEFORE LHO was arrested.
 Walt never proved the weight listed on the "Bill of lading" was TARE
   weight.
 Walt never proved the weight of the 40" Carcano is 7.5LBS when the ad
 the WC used says 7.0LBS.
 Walt never proved a "signed affadavit with a notary seal" signed by
 the LHO saying he was going to hijack a plane and make the pilot fly
 him to Cuba EVER existed.
 Walt never proved the rifle found on the roof was a DPD shotgun and
 NOT a Mauser as the Mentesana film shows.
 Walt said Mausers are NOT stamped on the barrel.
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­---------------------------------

 Ø Saaaaaaaaaaaaay, Aren't you the guy who said Marina had a "folded" photo
 of Walker's back Yard hidden in her Shoe???

 Walt said Oswald was LBJ's Puppet. (No Citation here either)


 You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !

WALLY WORLD IS THE "JOE ISUZU" of the JFK Assassination !

SEE>>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0UejzZDZ8

Here's a collection of Wally World's "Wild Speculations">>>

On Oct. 19 Wally wrote...

Wally World wrote;
>
> Perhaps you peceive it as trouble.....and you may be right, BUT......
> if we can't get honest CT's who think rationally and logically we
> might as well forget about ever finding justice for JFK.....
>
> If our ranks are filled by a bunch of kooks who believe whatever they
> read in the funny books ... we have no hope of justice for JFK.
>
> I write;
>
> Sure Wally;
>
> Like this BullShit that YOU Posted
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AIDS Infested Wally wrote;

Hey you senile, old, homosexual, pervert.....

How's your solicitaion for homosexual sex going....Has Rob made a date
Yet?

I thought that you'd like to know that YOU occupy the #1 position on
my list of the most undesirable creatures in the ranks of the CT
contingent.  Aren't you proud?





I write;

I "EXTREMELY PROUD" that I'm the FIRST one to EXPOSE you as a LN'r.
I "EXTREMELY PROUD" that I'm the one who Makes you RUN from your own Stupid
posts>>>

You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
 When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
 You never proved that Walker called Germany.
 You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.
 You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
 You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.
  You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.
 You never proved Walker believed LHO shot at him.
 You never proved that Capt O A Jones said LHO shot AT Walker.
 You never proved that the bullet recovered from Walker shooting was copper
   jacketed.
 You never proved LHO received a 40 minch rifle.
 You never proved your claim that LHO shot at Walker.
 You never proved that LHO ordered a 40 inch rifle.
 You never proved your claim that LHOI altered the chin in CE-133-a.
 You never proved your claim that a 6.5 was fired from a "sabot".
 You never proved your claim that the CIA was gonna "rescue Oswald".
 You never proved your claim that the DPD showed Weitzman  a Mauser on
   11/22/63.

 You're a Warren Commission Shill! !

I write;

Talk about making Excuses for the lies of the WCR ! ! 

Walt & I have been corresponding with each other for several years.

Pappa_39

Walt Kotchenbrot

Walt Cakebread

DAnde9347

cakehauz

Or, whatever other Alias he uses.

Because Walt doesn't have his own set of the 26 Volumes, he's been asking me to give him different exhibits of evidence & testimony                                        

over & over again during this time frame.

As RECENTLY as Today>>>

>
> I write;
>
> FOUR (4) Dallas Law Officers said it was a 7.65 Mauser, in the presence of
> Capt. Fritz & Lt. Day.
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Wally World wrote;

Name them....




I write; (with much pleasure)

Get off your Lying Lazy FAT Ass  & do your own Research! ! ! !
HAHAHAHAHAHA


 SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm

 ps;

 Need I remind anyone that Wally doesn't have the 26 Volumes? (and, it Shows)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------­----------------------------------------------

On Oct. 8, 2008 Wally wrote;

> > Weitzman wrote, "This rifle was a 7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped
> > with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it."
>
> >http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0433-001.gif
>
> > If Mauser were a generic term for a bolt action rifle then Weitzman's
> > description contains a redundancy. Nevertheless, the stated caliber of
> > the rifle, magnification of the scope, the diameter of its objective
> > lens and details of the sling shows that the Deputy Constable made a
> > detailed examination of the weapon.
>
> Barring a miracle , the first ever recorded in history , of a rifle
> changing itself
> into another rifle , I think we can assume that his first cursory
> examination was
> done in haste . Being a person who handles rifles and assuming he
> thought he
> could identify a rifle accurately at a glance , being a so called
> expert , put two
> plus two together and forget your suspicions for one moment and ask
> yourself
> a few questions .
>
> Which is more likely ? :
>
 6.5 and 7.65 which is the standard cal. for Mausers are very close
 numerically ,
 so a quick glance could be a honest mistake .


 6.5 and 7.65 which is the standard cal. for Mausers are very close
numerically , so a quick glance could be a honest mistake .

You raise an interesting point....  I don't for a second believe Roger
Craig's EXACT account about seeing the rifle stamped ..."7.65
Mauser....Right there on the barrel"  ( Argentine mausers are in fact
designed to fire 7.65mm bullets but they are NOT stamped in the
fashion described by Roger Craig)   The Mauser logo is at one location
and the cal 7.65 is stamped at a different location.

Roger Craig "MAY"?? have got a quick glimpse of the rifle and noticed
the numerals "6' and "5" on the rear sight of a model 91 /38 6.5mm
Mannlicher Carcano and thought the stamp was 7.65  or perhaps the
rifle was actually a 7.35mm model 91 /38 Mannlicher Carcano and Craig
misread the 7.35 as 7.65.   Either possibility could be true.... What
is NOT true is Craig's statement that he saw  quote..."stamped right
there on the barrel was...7.65 Mauser"...unquote.


I write;

Testimony indicates that all 4 officers had a GOOD look at it>>>   http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm

ALSO>>>

Dear Stupid lying Bastard..... Now you want to blame me for your
inability to READ....

I've always said that Roger Craig was lying when he said that he saw
"STAMPED RIGHT THERE ON THE BARREL...7.65 MAUSER"   I've always made
it clear to a person who can READ that Mausers are NOT stamped on the
BARREL of the rifle...

And NOW that it becomes clear to you that I knew what I was talkin
about you want to blame me for your ignorance of the nomenclature of a
rifle and your inability to comprehend what you read....You're sick
Rob... Get some couch time.

So I posted this photo showing Wally to be a LIAR (Again)!

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Example;

Walt   View profile (1 user)  More options Sep 22, 1:12 pm Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk From: Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Local: Mon, Sep 22 2008 1:12 pm Subject: Re: BacK Yard Photo Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author On 22 Sep, 11:45, "Sam McClung" <mccl...@newsguy.com> wrote:   > Walt, > Assuming CE 133A is authentic and was taken by Marina, why were CE 133B and > CE 133C created by the conspirators? That's a tough question, Gil..... I can only speculate that the bastards that were settin Oswald up knew about the back yard photo but were unable to obtain a copy of it.  (George De M would not let go of his copy)  So they created similar photos with which to frame Oswald. I don't think they anticipated that the authentic photo would surface so soon after the murder.   When Mike Paine put one in their hands just a few hours after the murder they didn't quite know what to do with the fakes they had made.  I think they may have been concerned that a copy of the fake thay had made would surface later and cause them problems.

Example;

> > Tom would you post a link to the page in Lattimer's book where he sats
> > he owns a rifle with the serial number C2766?   I'd like to know if it
> > was a printing error as Lattimer said after the book was published.
> > Please post it on the thread... Rifle #C2766

> > Thank you

> FOR WALT

> http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm

Thank you Tom..... I didn't know that you had already provided a link
on the original thread.

I wanted to read EXACTLY what Dr. Lattiliar wrote. He clearly
attempted to lead the reader into believing that he was using a
Carcano IDENTICAL to the TSBD rifle..... (right down to the same
serial number)   He later claimed the serial number was a "printing
error" but when one reds what he wrote it's quite clear that he was
lying....He DID specify the rifle had the same serial number.

When someone "Speculates", they are discussing a subject that they can NOT Prove.

(Resulting is the Destruction of their Credibility)

Several years ago Walt was a regular in my Live Audio Chat Room.

He Repeatedly tried to get me to Speculate.

After my refusal to Speculate, Walt left my Chat Room.

I figured out Years ago that Walt was actually a Warren Commission Apologist.

Now I see Walt posting on the newsgroups.  (with a LOT of Unproven Speculations that are LIES)

Those Unproven Speculations just happen to benefit the Lies of the Warren Commission.

HERE are some of Walt's LIES>>>

You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
 When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
 You never proved that Walker called Germany.
 You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.
 You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
 You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.
  You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.
 You never proved Walker believed LHO shot at him.
 You never proved that Capt O A Jones said LHO shot AT Walker.
 You never proved that the bullet recovered from Walker shooting was copper
   jacketed.
 You never proved LHO received a 40 minch rifle.
 You never proved your claim that LHO shot at Walker.
 You never proved that LHO ordered a 40 inch rifle.
 You never proved your claim that LHOI altered the chin in CE-133-a.
 You never proved your claim that a 6.5 was fired from a "sabot".
 You never proved your claim that the CIA was gonna "rescue Oswald".
 You never proved your claim that the DPD showed Weitzman  a Mauser on
    11/22/63.

 You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !

When I Repeatedly asked Walt for Documentation, he replied with a Personal Insult.

When I Buried Walt with Better Insults, He became a Cry-Baby.

EXAMPLE;

On 11/27/07 Walt wrote;

EXAMPLE;

On Sep 23, 12:53 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 23 Sep, 06:32, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > This is why CTers need to remember not to air our differences in a
> > public forum.
>
> > Part of their agenda is to divide and conquer.
>
> > It's ORGASMIC to the trolls when we do.
>
> I disagree totally Gil, I'm sick and tired of some CT's who post
> complete nonsense ( Rob Caprio, Tom Rossley, et al)
>
> I believe we need to clean up our own house......A lie is a lie no
> matter which side says it. And you can't find the path to the truth
> if you follow lies. I have always tried to gently steer a errant CT
> back from a lie by pointing out where they are getting on the wrong
> track. ( Have I not pointed out an error you were making?...think
> about it) There are some who refuse to back off from the wrong path
> and become abusive and nasty.(Rossley) I'm no longer going to try to
> be nice or keep my mouth shut when a CT presents false data. I'll
> attempt to show him the problem but if he doesn't present good sound
> logic backed up by facts I'm going to emasculate him.

I added>>>

Me Too Walt

INSERT         INSERT         INSERT

Walt wrote;

Tom, the photos purportedly as being the bullet that was dug out of
the wall at Walkers shows a copper clad bullet...

I know the DPD were liars so that calls into question  the credibility
of that photo, however.... A person has to use his head....  Where
would the average joe get armour piercing ammo, and if that person
really wanted to kill Walker why on earth would he use ammo that is
NOT very lethal.   A serious assassin would have chosen softnose
hunting ammo.

I'm tellin ya Tom the report of a STEEL jacketed bullet simply doesn't
make sense.   It's much more likely that someone simply used the term
steel jacketed when he should said metal jacketed... But you believe
what ever propels yer boat, but I hope you'll heed a friendly word of
advice.... I don't think yer gonna get far with only one oar in the
water.
                         *********************

Walt believes that "Seasoned DPD Detectives" would describe the following bullet as "Steel Jacketed of Unknown Caliber".

SEE original DPD report HERE>>>   (Volume XXIV page 39)>>>  http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm 

It seem that Wally has "Invented" Another "MAGIC BULLET".

EXAMPLE;

Walt <papakochenbrot@evertek.net>

Therein lies the problem.... There's little doubt in my mind that Lee
Oswald "THOUGHT" he was wearing two or three hats at the same time.  He
thought he was working for Bobby Kennedy's secret team, ( probably
true)     He thought he was working for the FBI ( probably true )  He
thought he was working with the CIA ( probably not true)

When JFK was murdered everybody wanted to disassociate themselves from
Oswald with the exception of RFK, but Bobby couldn't admit that Oswald
had been working for him because right after The DPD arrested Oswald,
Hoover called Bobby and told him that a communist by the name of Oswald
had shot his brother.  Bobby knew that Hoover had him between the devil
and the deep blue sea.

Oswald was working for the FBI but he was also being set up by Hoover's
EXTRA special agents.  They knew that the some of the BOP survivors who
were employed by the CIA shared Hoover's deep bitter hatred for JFK and
wanted to kill him. Hoover was glad too turn a blind eye to their plot.
 When the murder actually happened and the DPD blamed the murder on
Oswald, it sent everybody running for cover because of their connection
to Oswald.

Walt

No Citation?   Walt is Speculating.

EXAMPLE;

Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

You really need to pay attention..... Where have I ever said that CE
133A is a fake????

Mike Paine had a copy of CE 133A and he gave it to the cops on the
night of the assassination....They asked him if he knew the location
of the house that was seen in the photo was located. You're almost as
stupid as Rob.

No citation?   Walt is Speculating.

EXAMPLE;

Walt <papakochenbrot@evertek.net>

I asked you for a straight from the shoulder answer and you replied
with a question.  Don't you know the difference between a question and
an answer?

I fairly certain that Mike Paine did see a back yard photo in April of
1963.  I think that he and Oswald and George got a merry chucle out of
the immage portrayed by the Back Yard photo (CE 133A)  The photo
portrayed a character that was so unlike Oswald that they must have
got a hugh laugh outta seeing it.    It was such a blatant, and
ameteurish,  attempt to portray the man in the photo as a "hell bent
for leather" rabid communist revolutionary that no rational person
would believe it. ( well at least it wouldn't have fooled Castro's
agents and that's what the goal was)

HOWEVER....that was not the LAST time Mike Paine saw that photo....
The Last time he saw it was on the night of the assassination when he
gave it to the authorities..... Who asked him where and when the
picture had been taken.

No Citation?  Walt is Speculating.

EXAMPLE;

On 24 Sep, 11:23, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> Now's the time to stand up and apologize for being an asshole.
>
> Tom wrote :
> 'Walt earlier stated that the weapon in evidence has "DUAL" sling
> mounts."
>
> Here's what Walt wrote:
>
> "The rifle in Oswald's hands in CE 133A is a rather rare DUAL sling
> mount version of the model 91 /38. The dual sling mount version
> allowed the user to attach a sling to either the side or the bottom of
> the rifle. Naturally the viewer can't see the side sling swivel in CE
> 133A because it would have been on the side of the rifle away from the
> camera. However...the BOTTOM sling swivel is clearly visible. Which
> means that the rifle that Oswald was holding when Marina snapped the
> shutter is.... NOT .... the rifle that wasfound in the TSBD.
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> "I pointed out that the rifle in CE-133-a had Round Bottom sling
> mounts. WHEN will you offer proof of your claims that the rifle in
> question, CE-139/133-a has "Dual sling mounts"?.

Here'a the proof that I "cut and pasted" from your post.

I cut and paste where necessary to prove a point....In this case the
statement I cut and pasted was posted by you, Tom.

You asked:....WHEN will you offer proof of your claims that the rifle
in question, CE-139/133-a has "Dual sling mounts"?.

CE 139 is the rifle that was found in the TSBD with the serial number
C2766. It has SIDE sling swivels ONLY.

CE133A is a Back Yard photo of Oswald holding a rifle that IS NOT the
TSBD rifle. The rifle in Oswald's hands has BOTTOM sling swivels and
it PROBABLY has side swivels also.

CE 133A and CE 139 are representations of TWO DIFFERENT RIFLES.

STILL, No Citation that 133-a had "Dual Sling Swivels".

EXAMPLE;

Walt <papakochenbrot@evertek.net>

Hoover was secretly supporting the Cuban exile ("Freedom Fighters") in
their efforts destroy the--- "Red Menace" just 90 miles off our
shores.--- ( as Hoover often said)

When Oswald tipped Bobby Kennedy off about the training camps at
Mandeville, La. Bobby didn't trust Hoover to raid the camps and arrest
the men found there, so he gave the job to the ATF...and ordered Hoover
to send his agents along with the ATF.  Hoover was livid....He was
being forced to raid his own ILLEGAL operation.He  hated "That snot
nosed little Harvard Brat"....  He really wanted to kill Bobby, but
knew that JFK would leave no stone unturned in finding Bobby's
murderer, so he arranged for a select group of the "Freedom Fighters"
to kill JFK... He told Lyin Bastard Johnson that his agents had
uncovered a plot to kill JFK and if the plot were successful  LBJ would
become president.

It didn't take a genius to figure out how Bobby had found out about the
camps....Oswald arrives on the scene in May.....and two months later
Bobby knows about Hoover's Illegal operations.  Hoover thought a great
joke that he was able to frame "Bobby's little snitch"
foe the Murder of JFK.

Walt

No Citation?  Walt is speculating.

EXAMPLE;

"Walt" <papakochenbrot@evertek.net> wrote in message
news:3e88c1db-2ef0-423b-a576-100442385ead@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 04:47, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
> TOP POST
>
> Hi tomnln,
>
> Say, this MC database link supplied by Sam McClung appears to show
> rifles with BOTH bottom/side sling mounts on it, tomnln:
>
> http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/database/m91_38.html
>
> Can't speak for the veracity of the research, though interested as to
> why YOU didn't link to THAT page, tomnln.

There ya go Tomnln...... Just look at the column marked "sling" and
count down to the 29th rifle listed. tha]e rifle has the serial number
AU 8217.   You'll notice that it is a Fucile Corte ( short rifle )
which is a model 91 /38 7 1/2 pound 40 inch long rifle with DUAL sling
swivels.
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Walt;
Your item #29 has a serial number as>>>  UA8217.

SEE item #2 It has a serial number as "C2766".

Also HERE>>>   http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm


> On Sep 20, 3:14 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here's the Homepage walt;
>
> > Show us a M C with BOTH bottom/side sling mounts.
>
> >http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/images/

EXAMPLE;

"Walt" <papakochenbrot@evertek.net> wrote in message
news:f20eba38-b7ce-42ab-ba03-222a629f6b12@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 23 Jan, 19:36, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Walt" <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2732823b-0d39-4f71-bc04-70036503f4c4@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 Jan, 13:08, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:


> > "Walt" <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:4d91e389-c743-4c47-83f8-1569927270f0@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On 23 Jan, 04:42, summersalmostg...@webtv.net (Phil Ossofee) wrote:
> > >> The Dallas Police Dept. on the day after the attempt said the bullet
> > >> was" steel jacketed". Gen. Walker told the HSCA that the bullet in
> > >> evidence shown to him by the comittee was not the same one removed by
> > >> Dallas's finest on April 10, 1963.
>
> > > Phil, I hope you know that I'm an unyeilding CT .... And the reason I
> > > am a unyeilding CT is because I KNOW with 99% certainty that the
> > > Warren Commission's decree is a flat out lie. And I most certainly
> > > wouldn't argue against solid irrefutable information, but I simply
> > > don't believe that Walker would be able to recall EXACTLY what a
> > > mangled bullet looked like ten tears after he saw it for just a brief
> > > moment.
>
> > > And as for the bullet being "steel jacketed" I strongly doubt that it
> > > was a STEEL jacketed. Steel jacketed bullets are very rare. They
> > > were designed for the military to pierce armour, but they ruin the
> > > bore of the rifle from which they are fired so they were not often
> > > used. A soldiers life depends on an accurate rifle, and a rifle with
> > > a ruined bore will not shoot accurately.... Therefore soldiers were
> > > reluctant to use STEEL jacked projectiles.
>
> > > My guess is some dopey reporter used the term "steel jacketed" when he
> > > meant METAL jacketed. The bullet that the DPD presented as the
> > > bullet that was removed from Walkers wall is a COPPER jacketed
> > > bullet. AND it is NOT a Western Cartridge Co, bullet. The lying
> > > "experts" are on record as saying that it matched the bullet that was
> > > found in the hallway of Parkland hospital. But anybody with one good
> > > eye can see with their own eye that the serrations in the cannelure
> > > are much finer than the serrations in the cannelre of CE 399. The
> > > two bullets are clearly made by two different manufacturers.
>
> > >> The only witness to the shooting Walter Coleman, saw 3 men hurriedly
> > >> get
> > >> in 2 cars just seconds after the shooting, behind Walker's house in a
> > >> church parking lot then flee the scene.
>
> > > Are you aware that Oswald said that he scared the crap out of a couple
> > > of young men when he fired the bullet through Walker's window.
> > > Oswald said he didn't even know those two homosexuals were there until
> > > he fired the rifle. He said they jumped up and ran like scared rabbits
> > > when he fired the rifle.
>
> > >> Walker's aide and neighbors had seen suspicious latino lookng men
> > >> drive
> > >> around the houe in the days before the shooting.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­--------------------------------------------------------------------------­-­-----------
> > The Seasoned Dallas Detectives who made out the Original Police report
> > said
> > it was a "Steel-Jacketed" bullet.
>
> > SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm

> I can't read that report...... but I assume the detective wrote that
> the bullet was a steel jacketed bullet. Was the Detective
> infallible?? Could he have made the very common mistake of
> substituting the word "steel" for the word "metal"

If Walt is Too Lazy to save that report to his desktop & resize it Or, he should read it in Volume XXIV page 39.

Why are Walt's "Assumptions" in favor of the WCR?

> It's not at all uncommon for careless people to use such words
> interchangably. Just as some folks call a hunting rifle a "HIGH
> POWERED" rifle, or call a soft drink a "COKE, or a bolt action rifle a
> "Mauser" or a lever action rifle a "Winchester" .... and on and
> on...
>
> Did he say in the report that he used a magnet to determine if the
> bullet was actually STEEL jacketed. Surely you must know that if the
> bullet fired had been STEEL jacketed it would have remained in
> pristine condition after striking nothing harder than soft wood. And
> yet the detective said re dug it out of the wall and it was badly
> mangled.      ANOTHER ASSUMPTION???
>
> Walt
>
> ****************
>
> That's EXACTLY what the report says Walt;
>
> "steel jacketed of unknown caliber".
>
> Even Helen Keller can tell "steel jacketed" from "copper jacketed".
>
> Do you have any proof he was "mistaken"?


Tom, the photos purportedly as being the bullet that was dug out of
the wall at Walkers shows a copper clad bullet...

I know the DPD were liars so that calls into question  the credibility
of that photo, however.... A person has to use his head....  Where
would the average joe get armour piercing ammo, and if that person
really wanted to kill Walker why on earth would he use ammo that is
NOT very lethal.   A serious assassin would have chosen softnose
hunting ammo.

I'm tellin ya Tom the report of a STEEL jacketed bullet simply doesn't
make sense.   It's much more likely that someone simply used the term
steel jacketed when he should said metal jacketed... But you believe
what ever propels yer boat, but I hope you'll heed a friendly word of
advice.... I don't think yer gonna get far with only one oar in the
water.
                         *********************

That's the second insult you've hurled at me.

If you wanna CONTINUE throwing out official records which PROVE the WC
messed with the evidence, you're free to CONTINUE doing so.

 WHERE can I find the Oswald quote you post above?

EXAMPLE;

"Walt" <papakochenbrot@evertek.net> wrote in message
news:ed48d225-5efb-4f5a-8335-9abe963eba97@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 22 Sep, 16:02, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:

> Hiya Rin-Tim-Tim;
>
> The rifle in CE-133-a shows Round bottom sling swivels.
> CE-139 shows Oblong Side sling swivels.
>
> Walt LIED stating that the rifle had DUAL sling mounts.
> (making excuses for the WCR)
>
> NICE to see both of you on the same side.

Oh, I don't think we're on the same side........ But it does seem that
we have something in common. The truth.
We both abhor fools and liars.....

Oh and speakin of fools and liars.....  You've called me a liar and
said that I claimed that the TSBD rifle had dual sling swivels.
Please post the proof where I ever said any such thing.    You
wouldn't be lying about that would ya Tom?

If you don't produce the proof that I ever said that then everybody
will know that you're a just liar.



Here ya go Walt;

For the SECOND time>>>

I seperated it so you won't get Lost finding it! ! !

On 17 Sep, 07:58, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"
<aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Einstein, the issue of the rifle sling is a little different than
> that.
>
> The backyard photos show a bottom mounted sling made of rope or
> cloth. The MC in evidence in the JFK shooting has a side mounted
> leather sling that looks as weathered as the rest of the rifle. And
> there is no explanation for the discrepancy. And, nobody from the
> government or the corporate media ever pointed out this discrepancy,
> either.
>
> Aaron Hirshberg

Aaron.....You're making a very common mistake....

Most people who view the BY photos make the mistake of comparing one
against the others.

Ther is only one AUTHENTIC back yard photo. That photo is the ONLY
photo that Marina took of Lee in their backyard. It became Warren
Commission exhibit CE 133A.    Both CE 133B and the Geneva White photo
(133C) are fakes created by the DPD.

It is impossible to determine the authenticity of an object if a
person doesn't know what the original looked like.
For example:.... If someone handed you two $100 doolar bills and told
you that one was counterfeit and one was authentic and you could keep
the authentic bill but had to give back the counterfeit bill.  You
could not determine which bill was authentic by comparing one bill
against the other.   You probably would spot some differences in the
bills but that wouldn't reveal which bill was the real thing.

The same idea applies to the Back Yard photos.   Marina only remember
taking ONE photo, and was stunned and confused when the WC lawyer
showed her the second photo ( CE 133B) She was at a loss because she
knew that she had only taken ONE photo, but here the lawyer was
showing her a second one. She attempted to help the commission by
suggesting that she perhaps had pushed the shutter twice.  Which if
she had known anything about cameras she would have known that
clicking the shutter twice would have produced a double exposure, and
her explanation was nonsense.
Lee Oswald knew how to determine an authentic BY photo from a fake BY
photo.....( naturally, he had worked with that photo (CE 133A) and
signed the back of a copy of it and gave it to G.DeM.)  so when the
cops showed him 133c he immediately  knew that the photo they were
showing him was a fake.

Now back to the subject at hand.....   The one and only AUTHENTIC B.Y.
photo shows Lee Oswald holding a 40 inch long model 91 / 38 Mannlicher
Carcano short rifle with NO SLING ( what appears to be a sling was
added to the photo) and the front sling swivel hanging empty beneath
the front barrel band.
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The rifle in Oswald's hands in CE 133A  is a
rather rare DUAL sling mount version of the model 91 /38.  The dual
sling mount version allowed the user to attach a sling to either the
side or the bottom of the rifle.  Naturally the viewer can't see the
side sling swivel in CE 133A because it would have been on the side of
the rifle away from the camera.  However...the BOTTOM sling swivel is
clearly visible.  Which means that the rifle that Oswald was holding
when Marina snapped the shutter is.... NOT .... the rifle that
wasfound in the TSBD.      (Walt said 133-a had Dual Sling Swivels)
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LOOK at the "sling" in CE 133A....  Notice that it tricks the viewer
into thinking the rifle has a sling on it.  But if you look close
you'll notice that the fake sling isn't attached to the rifle, and it
isn't attached at the normal mounting points.  It seems to hang
beneath the rifle like the handle on a piece of luggage, which could
mean that whoever added that "sling" to the photo didn't know much
about rifles, and thought that the sling was used like the handle on a
purse. Also notice that the "sling" is light colored.....    The rifle
that was found in the TSBD had a very dark colored sling mounted in
SIDE swivels. A dark colored sling would have reflected very little
sunlight, and would have been nearly invisible in a photo.

Walt used to participate in my Live Audio Chat Room.

Walt always made wild speculative comments in my chat room.

I informed him that he does so at his own risk.   Without ever challenging him, out of courtesy.

Walt tried Repeatedly to get me to speculate.

When I Refused to do so, Walt left my chat room & has never come back.

 Recently Walt posted on the newsgroup that CE-133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".

Leaving the possibility that CE-133-a is the same rifle as E-139, although he denies they are the same rifle.

When I asked him to "Document" that CE-133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts, he answered with Insults.

I RETALIATED! ! !  with better insults.

Which leads us to this page of my website in which I will publish some of Walt's Ridiculous Undocumented Speculations.

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Starting with Walt's original Insult....

"tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:

> Is all that information in the 26 volumes Walt???
>
> That Mike Paine had a M C with bottom swivels?

"Walt" <papakochenbrot@evertek.net>
Hey Tom, put the cork back on the bottle , go take a nap, and then
READ what I wrote:

"Speculation and explanation for the mystery.......  Mike Paine had a
Mannlicher Carcano ( with bottom sling swivels) that he showed
Oswald.
He told Oswald that he had got it from Klein's Sporting goods for
only
twenty dollars.  Oswald orderd one of the rifles.  Paine and Oswald
took the rifles out to test them and do some target practice. When
Pain dropped oswald off at his house Oswald grabbed the Paine's rifle
with the bottom sling swivels and that is the rifle that is seen in
the photo that Marina took. (CE 133A ) "

Do you see that first word??   SPECULATION .....Do you know what that
word means?

Possible explanation to solve the mystery....  Do you understand that
I offered a possible explanation for the obvious problem that the
rifle in CE 133A had BOTTOM sling swivels while C2766 has side
swivels.
There are without doubt other explanations for the mystery.....I just
offered this one.
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Hey Walt;

Thanks for the insult;

It gives me an opportunity to address you eating Boy Scouts by the Troop.

NOW!
About CE-139 & 133-a;
You said they had DUAL sling mounts, (hinting they are both the same rifle.)

We were talking about the rifle in evidence, NOT any other rifle.

Sounds like an Excuse for the WCR to me.

On Sept. 28th Walt wrote;

> "Walt" <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote in message

> Walt's own words>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm

Yes they are....And Thank you for providing the link to them......It
saves me from having to type out post after post so that imbeciles
like you and Rob can understand my position.  I realize many of my
ideas piss you off, that's your problem not mine.  One of them that
really gets under your skin is my refuting your idiotic idea that the
person who shot at Walker shot at him with ARMOR PIERCING (steel
jacketed)  ammunition. Ha, ha, ha, hee,hee.... Pardon the laughter but
that idea has to have originated in a head that has no brain.

There's Walt's "admission" of Stupidity Folks.

Here's the original DPD report of April 10, 1963 describing the Walker bullet as "Steel jacketed of unknown caliber".

Found in Volume XXIV page 39.

Walt believes that description from Seasoned Detectives FITS the bullet produced by the WC . (Below)

Looks like Helen Keller had More Vision that Walt has.

Some of Walt's "Unsubstantiated Claims">>>

> >1) LHO ordered a 40.2" Carcano short rifle.
> >2) LHO took possession of said rifle, they only differ in the how and
> >when (I think).
> >3) LHO posed with the rifle and Marina took a photo of this.
> >4) LHO fired at General Walker.
> >5) LHO visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City.
> >6) LHO was working with DeMohrenschildt to invade Cuba.
> >7) There was a clip in the rifle found at the TSBD.
> >8) You can't hand-load a M-C so a clip is needed (this ties to the
> >above point).   

Designed to make CT's look bad.

I remind folks that those "Claims" are Walt's NOT all CT's.

On Sept. 23rd, Walt wrote;

Hey Stupid Bastard..... Who took that video film which shows the
tailights on a 1961 Chevt in the background??  Where was that
photographer??  Could he have been in the alley behind Ballew's Texaco
station where the jacket was found?
Is it possible that the wallet was in that jacket pocket??

Check it out.....Answer each question... Develop a chonology...and
prove me wrong.

"Stupid Bastard" Walt has it Ass-Backwards AGAIN;

Walt has to prove his "Claim" that the wallet was found in the pocket of the jacket found behind the gas station.

On Sept. 23 Walt wrote;

CE133A is a Back Yard photo of Oswald holding a rifle that IS NOT the
TSBD rifle. The rifle in Oswald's hands has BOTTOM sling swivels and
it PROBABLY has side swivels also.

MORE "Assumptions" from Walt.

If 133-a had Dual Sling Mounts, it would open the door for the "Possibility" that the rifle in 133-a is the SAME as CE-139.

On Sept 25th Walt wrote;

I fairly certain that Mike Paine did see a back yard photo in April of
1963.  I think that he and Oswald and George got a merry chucle out of
the immage portrayed by the Back Yard photo (CE 133A)  The photo
portrayed a character that was so unlike Oswald that they must have
got a hugh laugh outta seeing it.    It was such a blatant, and
ameteurish,  attempt to portray the man in the photo as a "hell bent
for leather" rabid communist revolutionary that no rational person
would believe it. ( well at least it wouldn't have fooled Castro's
agents and that's what the goal was)

HOWEVER....that was not the LAST time Mike Paine saw that photo....
The Last time he saw it was on the night of the assassination when he
gave it to the authorities..... Who asked him where and when the
picture had been taken.

AGAIN, Speculation with NO Citation.

On Sept. 24 Walt wrote;

You really need to pay attention..... Where have I ever said that CE
133A is a fake????

Mike Paine had a copy of CE 133A and he gave it to the cops on the
night of the assassination....They asked him if he knew the location
of the house that was seen in the photo was located. You're almost as
stupid as Rob.

AGAIN, Speculation with NO Citation.

Oswald was working for the FBI but he was also being set up by Hoover's
EXTRA special agents.  They knew that the some of the BOP survivors who
were employed by the CIA shared Hoover's deep bitter hatred for JFK and
wanted to kill him. Hoover was glad too turn a blind eye to their plot.
 When the murder actually happened and the DPD blamed the murder on
Oswald, it sent everybody running for cover because of their connection
to Oswald.

Walt

AGAIN, Speculation with NO Citation.

On Sept. 6th Walt wrote;

You probably don't want to hear this because it might change you mind,
and I know your mind is already set, so you don't want to be confused
by any damned FACTS.....

The guy that "found" the bullet was no friend of JFK.....  Back in the
early ninties he was talking to a private investigator ( though he
wasn't aware of it) The investigator knew that Tom had always been
"tight lipped" about how he had "found" the magic bullet and would not
talk about the events at Parkland that day.  After a few beers the
investigator broached the subject of the assassination and asked if the
authorities had published a factual account about Tom finding CE 399.
He started to refute the official account and then suddenly realized he
was on thin ice and clammed up, and ended the discussion with the terse
remark.... "Who the hell cares... The son-of-a-bitch had it comin".


Walt

AGAIN, No Citation...More Speculation.

On May 17th Walt wrote;

Hello Gary....I'm sorry I can't point to Marina's testimony but perhaps some
else can post the her statement....

When Marina was being questioned about the BY photo she said.....She
remembered that Lee had showed it to George, because they were laughing and
discussing it. ( the BY photo)   She said she was offended that Lee would
show a picture like that to DeM. ( I have no idea why she would have been
"offended")   It's a shame that Marina has repeatedly lied about the BY
photo, because that photo CE 133A is the key to unlocking this case.

There is no doubt in my mind that Marina wrote the inscription ( in Russian)
on the back of the DeM print and Lee signed and dated it on APRIL 5 1963,
before giving it to DeM.   I don't think the inscription was intended to be
"mocking" of Lee....It was merely a joke which she shared with Lee and DeM.
They all knew that Lee wasn't a serious "Hunter of  Nazi's" but the photo
was intended to portray him as such.  So if the photo ever found it's way
into Castro's hands ( Lee had sent a copy to the "Worker") it would lend
credence to Oswald's "attack" on a Nazi. ( General Walker)

I can understand why Marina has repeatly lied about the BY photo....
Because she sees it in the light that the Warren Commission painted it....
Incriminating of Lee.

In recent years she lied and said the inscription reads:
---"FOR"--- Hunter of Fascists. According to the Russians who read the
inscription for me it does NOT say "FOR" Hunter of Facsists.....

She has become aware that DeM was a chameleon and he lied through his teeth
about his involvement with Lee.
She attempted to show that DeM had the BY photo on APRIL 5 1963 ( before the
"attack" on Gen. Walker) by saying the inscription read "FOR" Hunter of
Facsists.

Marina wrote that inscription as a joke at Lee's request and Lee signed it
before giving it to George De Morhenschildt.....

The BY photo (CE 133A)  .. IS... IS a "joke"... anybody who cannot see the
obvious has to be blind.

Walt

Gonna start calling Walt "Flip-Flop Walt"

Walt's Cheer-Leaders (from Chuckie sept. 23,)>>>

Good for you, Walt. I totally disagree with your belief that LBJ was
behind JFK's death, but the CT side  has done a HORRIBLE job sorting
the wheat from the chaff. When some newbie comes to the site with a
question about poison dart firing umbrellas or the infamous Three
Tramps, for example, it's also up to you CTers to steer this person
away from such silliness. Rossley criticizes all  investigations that
have found innocent explanations for the 'chaff'. Ditto for robcap,
who hasn't met a conspiracy theory he doesn't like.

On Sept 24, Walt wrote;

Question: Did the fleeing killer shed his jacket in the parking
lot ?....Maybe?...Maybe not?.....

Q:   Why would a fleeing suspect want to discard his jacket??
A:   To quickly alter his appearance in an attempt to evade capture

Q:   If the fugitive was wearing a white shirt beneath a white jacket
would the shedding of the jacket have altered his appearance??

The witnesses were almost unanimous in saying  that the running man
had on a white shirt beneath a light colored jacket.   It would have
made no sense for the fugitive to shed his jacket, and he probably
didn't.

The jacket that was found in the parking lot was probably found on the
seat of the Oldsmobile where it had been left by it's owner.

In Spite of this page from Hosty's book>>>

Walt is making the CT's look BAD! ! ! 

Maybe we should put him in the LN's camp, where he Belongs.

On Sept. 24th Walt wrote.

> Is it reasonable that Paine`s remembrance of when he was shown the
> photo should trump three detectives assertions on when it was found?

Hey Dud.... You seem to be amazingly naive ..how old are you?

Only ONE detective had to secretly pull the photo's from his pocket
and exclaim...."Hey!!... would ya look at this what I just found here
in this envelope?" ..... all others within earshot would think he had
just discovered them in the garage when in reality he had brought them
with him as Captain Fritz had ordered.

Talk about Irresponsible Speculation without Documentation! ! ! 

On March 13, 2006 Walt wrote.

Every one of those comes from the Official Records.

WHY did Walt describe them as my Opinions?

WHY didn't Walt ask for Citations???

On June 3, 2003 Walt wrote;

Hello Curt.....   To be perfectly frank with you ...I'm not 100% convinced
that Oswald got on  McWatter's bus in downtown Dallas that day.   I'm 99%
certain he never was in Whaley's cab.....  Whaley was just an old BSer who
got caught telling BS stories to impress his fellow cab drivers.  Oswald
told the cops on saturday that he he had rode a CITY cab.... I believe
Whaley drove for the Yellow Cab Company...

If Lee had boarded Mcwatter's bus in downtown Dallas, the transfer that was
found in Oswald's pocket should have been in the reddish brown shirt that he
had left in his room at the rooming house.....  I believe Oswald got that
transfer when he boarded Mc Watters bus to go to the Texas theater....
That's why it was in his shirt pocket at the time of his arrest...

Oswald told Fritz that he had rode the bus to the movies, and I believe he
did....

Walt

MORE SPECULATION.

Walt is making CT's look Bad.

On March 20, 2004 Walt wrote;

Kill him for being absent from his job??   At the time Oswald entered the
theater ( 1:08 pm) he was simply "at large" for being absent from the TSBD.

Oswald thought he was going to be flown to Mexico where he would have sought
assylum in the Cuban embassy. The whole world would have known that he was
being sought for "ATTEMPTING" to shoot JFK. ( He had visited the Cuban
embassy in September and established himself as a foe of JFK.)

Tippit's role was to escort Oswald to Red Bird and get him on the plane.....
I believe it was Tippit who honked the police car horn in front of Oswald's
rooming house at 1:00 pm that day.    After honking the horn to signal
Oswald.   The signal was intended to let Oswald know that his ride to Red
Bird was in the area, and he should start walking so Tippit could
unobtrusively pick him up.

 Walt
AGAIN, NOT DOCUMENTED.

On March 19, 2004 Walt wrote;

 Hello Dave....The Modus Oparandi in the Kennedy assassination is identical
to the "attempt" to kill Walker in April.  The manipulators told Oswald that
they would make it appear he had tried to kill General Walker ( a very vocal
foe of Fidel Castro)  After Walker called the police and reported someone
had shot at him and Marina reported ( through Ruth Paine) her husband
missing after leaving a very strange note. The DPD  would have put the two
events together and told the press that Oswald was a fugitive from justice
for attempting to murder Walker.  Oswald Back yard "ready for anything"
photo would have been published in the papers and Castros agents would have
been tricked into thinking Oswald was a friend of Cuba. Oswald would have
fled to Cuba where he would have been welcomed by Castro.  Oswald would then
have been in position to spy on events in Cuba.

The whole plot fell apart because Marina didn't do as Lee had told her to
do.....Marina didn't speak English so Lee had told her that anytime she had
a problem she was supposed to call Ruth Paine....

Oswald was told they would use the same basic plot only this time they would
make it appear that he had taken a shot at JFK....

I believe Tippit was informed to be on the look out for Oswald who had not
been killed in the TSBD but had escaped and was "at large" in Oakcliff.   I
think Tippit was supposed to pick Oswald up and take him to Red Bird airport
where he would have been flown out of the country and probably killed.

Walt

Can Walt PROVE "Any of this"???

On March 20, 2004 Walt wrote;

On Saturday Oswald was still keeping his scret agent role hidden when he
told his brother..."Don't believe all of the so called evidence, Things are
not as they appear."
Oswald was still under the impression that he was going to be allowed to
escape as late as Sunday morning.  When he was told that he was going to be
transported to the county jail.  Something in the way he was informed led
him to believe that he would be "allowed" to escape, because he told one of
the cops..." Oh, so this is now the plan"....or words to that effect.

Walt

HOW DOES WALT KNOW THIS TRIPE???

On March 19, 2004 Walt wrote;

Hello Richard....there are photos of the Tippit murder scene which show a
police uniform jacket hanging on a hanger against the right hand rear window
of Tippit's squad car. Other photos show a policemans cap lying in the rear
window package tray.

I can only speculate why Tippit had that extra uniform in his car.  He had
it so another person could slip it on to make it appear that his passenger
was just another cop...

I believe if he had made contact with Oswald, instead of his killer he would
have gave Oswald the jacket and hat to wear while he transported him to Red
Bird Airport.

Walt

Anyone wonder WHERE Walt got that from????

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