McAdams BOOK

EVIDENCE IS "NOT" EVIDENCE UNTIL IT HAS PASSED THE "ADVERSARY PROCEDURE", ! ! !

Looks like MAdams took the writings of his class and turned them into a "Book for Profit".

WHY NOT TELL US EXACTLY HOW MANY YEARS YOUR lackey's (BERCOT, SUREY, McCAW AND KNUTH HAVE STUDIED THE 26 VOLUMES? ? ? (UNLESS YOU WANNA TELL US THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN "ECHOES" OF YOURS.

John seems to have forgotten that "CORRUPTION IN HIGH PLACES" HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN IN THIS COUNTRY. (Watergate)

May GOD grant McAdams the same level of justice that MAdams condones for others.

On page 16 Jon states that the secret service agent stayed with officer Smith and, helped search the cars in the parking lot.

TESTIMONY OF JOE MARSHALL SMITH

The testimony of Joe Marshall Smith was taken at 1 p.m., on July 23, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building , Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas , Tex. , by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you rise and raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. LIEBELER. Please sit down. My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I am an attorney on the staff of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. I have been authorized to take your testimony by the Commission, pursuant to authority granted to it by Executive Order No. 11130 dated November 29, 1963, and joint resolution of Congress No. 137. Under the rules of procedure, you are entitled to have an attorney present, and you are entitled to 3 days' notice of your hearing. I know you didn't get that, because I just called you this morning, but I assume that since you are here, you are prepared to go ahead without an attorney, is that correct?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. I went to grade school in Seagoville up to the second grade. Then I went to Houston , Tex. , and finished elementary school there, and then to junior high school, and through high school in Houston , Tex. Then I went into the U.S. Navy.

Mr. LIEBELER. You are presently a uniformed officer of the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. LIEBELER. During that time, you have been working basically as a uniformed officer, patrolman?

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you been working in any specific type of assignment, or just what has been the nature of your work?

Mr. SMITH. Well, I was in radio patrol 3 1/2 years. Then I went to traffic division point control, and that is what I am doing presently.

Mr. LIEBELER. I understand that you were assigned to work in the vicinity of Elm and Houston on November 22, 1963, is that correct?

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us when you first got that assignment and what you were told.

Mr. SMITH. At approximately 8:45 or 9 o'clock that morning, November 22, we made detail, and Capt. P. W. Lawrence gave us the instructions that we were to, of course, hold the traffic up when the motorcade came through, and to assist in the crowd control, and be specifically on the lookout for anyone throwing anything from the crowd. That is about all I remember.

Mr. LIEBELER. How many officers were with you as you were instructed at the detail at 8:45? That means, there was a formation of something in the office?

Mr. SMITH. There was quite a few there. I don't know how many were there, but nearly the whole traffic department was there.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did they all receive instructions from Captain Lawrence at the same time, or were they different specific instructions broken down?

Mr. SMITH. There were some broken down instructions that some of the men had to stay over to get different detail aimed to them, but that was my instructions.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you receive those instructions in writing, or delivered orally?

Mr. LIEBELER. In other words, the captain or someone working with the captain would have a list and he assigned certain men to certain places and gave them general instructions as to what they were to do; is that correct?

Mr. LIEBELER. Men from the department were assigned all along the motorcade route from the airport into downtown Dallas ; is that correct?

Mr. LIEBELER. And other men were given instructions similar to or the same as the ones that you were given?

Mr. LIEBELER. Which was to keep traffic out of the way when the motorcade was coming, and keep an open and clear route, and to engage in general crowd control activities?

Mr. LIEBELER. Were there any instructions given to you men about scanning buildings?

Mr. SMITH. Sir, I don't remember. It is more or less the general thing to do. I mean, just police the area. But I don't remember any specific instructions on that.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now after you received your instructions at 8:45, what did you do?

Mr. SMITH. I proceeded to the intersection of Elm and Houston , and it was about 9:50 or 10 o'clock when I was on the corner there. At approximately 11:50 or 12 o'clock, there was a white male that had an epileptic seizure on the esplanade on Houston Street between Main and Elm. Well, I went down to see if any assistance was needed, and I stayed there until the white male was loaded into an ambulance and sent to a hospital. Then I proceeded back to my assignment.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were there any other officers there in connection with this fellow that had the epileptic fit?

Mr. SMITH. I don't remember his name. I swear, I was trying to think of it before this even.

Mr. LIEBELER. He was a radio patrolman? You mean he was driving a motorcycle or had a car?

Mr. SMITH. No; he was assigned, I think, if I am not mistaken, I think he was assigned to Main and Houston , and he was down there with the man when arrived at the scene.

Mr. LIEBELER. So you called an ambulance, or an ambulance was called and this man was taken away, and you went back to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets?

Mr. SMITH. W. E. Barnett, and E. L. Smith. I think that is his initials. I know it is another Smith boy anyway.

Mr. SMITH. Just after we got the epileptic seizure en route to the hospital, I hadn't gotten back to the corner but just a few minutes until the motorcade was coming, so I stationed myself on Elm Street in the middle from the southeast curb of Elm and Houston and held traffic up.

Mr. LIEBELER. Which direction would this traffic have been coming from that you held up?

Mr. LIEBELER. Coming down Elm toward the triple underpass? Coming into the intersection of Elm and Houston ?

Mr. LIEBELER. So you were the individual patrolman who went back and held up the traffic to Elm. Street; is that right?

Mr. LIEBELER. So you would have been on the eastern side of Houston Street on Elm Street holding up the traffic that was coming down Elm Street ?

the side of the Texas School Book Depository Building from which the shots were fired?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I could see some of the windows. I couldn't see them all, but I was pretty busy getting traffic held up, and I must admit I had my back to the Texas School Book Depository Building .

Mr. LIEBELER. Because you were facing traffic that was coming down Elm Street toward the triple underpass toward the intersection of Houston Street ?

Mr. LIEBELER. So you had no opportunity to scan the windows of the Texas School Book Depository Building at all?

Mr. LIEBELER. Now did you notice anything extraordinary in the crowd as far as a crowd control is concerned? Did you have any problems in that connection, or was it just a matter of holding up the traffic?

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; we didn't have any trouble with the crowd at that .particular intersection. They stayed back pretty well as they were told, and I got all the cars stopped, so I thought we had it made.

Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a picture, an aerial view of the area that is marked Commission Exhibit No. 354. Could you locate the Texas School Book Depository Building in there?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; that is it on the left-hand side of the picture, and of course, the intersection of Elm and Houston is right off opposite the corner there, right at the corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building , and you were standing to the east?

Mr. LIEBELER. There is, in fact, a picture of a car stopped there right at the intersection of Elm and Houston , and you had been standing back in the vicinity of the automobile?

Mr. LIEBELER. I will put the No. 4 in a circle on the spot of approximately where you were standing at the time the motorcade went by. Is that approximately correct?

Mr. LIEBELER. You were facing east up Elm Street away from the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. So that your back was in fact turned to the School Book Depository Building ?

Mr. LIEBELER. Now there are two or three other buildings here in the immediate vicinity as you are facing east on Elm Street . There is a building on your left, which is directly across Houston Street from the School Book Depository Building . Do you know what building that is?

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you observe any activity in any of the windows of that building?

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have occasion to look to the windows of that building at any time when the motorcade came by? That would be the building to your left.

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. I don't recall, but I know that I must have, because. I was trying to keep all the crowd in sight that was around. I know that I must have glanced at it, but I don't recall seeing anything unusual.

Mr. LIEBELER. What about the building across Elm Street on your right? That is the county building?

triple underpass. Could you observe those windows from the point where you were standing?

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; not where I could tell whether they were open or closed.

Mr. LIEBELER. Because you were standing too far up Elm Street to have a good vantage point from which to observe these windows?

Mr. LIEBELER. You wouldn't have been able to see the windows of the building that is down on the intersection of Main and Houston Streets at all from where you were standing?

Mr. LIEBELER. If you could have seen, it would have been with great difficulty, so you weren't in position to observe those windows, and you didn't in fact observe them, is that correct?

Mr. LIEBELER. While you were standing here and the motorcade went by, tell us what happened at that point.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you turn to watch the motorcade? Did you turn to watch the President as the motorcade went by?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I glanced around and was watching the crowd to make sure they stayed back out of the way of the motorcade, and also to make sure none of the cars started up or anything. Then I heard the shots, and I immediately proceeded from this point.

Mr. SMITH. I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.

Mr. LIEBELER. You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right?

Mr. SMITH. I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.

Mr. LIEBELER. There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and looked around?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, (Seymour Weitzman?) and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there. (Bernard Barker?)

I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.

Mr. SMITH. Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was. (Lapel PIn?)

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over here in this particular section.

Mr. LIEBELER. Down toward the railroad tracks where they go over the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any basis for believing where the shots came from, or where to look for somebody, other than what the lady told you?

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; except that maybe it was a power of suggestion. But it sounded to me like they may have came from this vicinity here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Down around the---let's put a No. 5 there at the corner here behind this concrete structure where the bushes were down toward the railroad tracks from the Texas School Book Depository Building on the little street that runs down in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now you say that you had the idea that the shots may have come from up in that area?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; that is just what, well, like I say, the sound of it. That was the most helpless and hopeless feeling I ever had.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, you mentioned before there was an echo from the shots in the area.

Mr. LIEBELER. Probably caused by the fact that there are some large buildings around the area where the shots were fired from?

Mr. LIEBELER. Now did you at any time have occasion to look up to the railroad tracks that went across the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't have any occasion to 'look up there before you heard the shots?

Mr. LIEBELER. After you heard the shots, you proceeded down along the bushes here between the street that runs in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building and Elm Street to approximately point 5, and then when you went down looking to the cars, you then had occasion to look up at the railroad tracks running over the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. But you remember that there were two police officers up there?

Mr. LIEBELER. Now you searched these cars in this parking lot area down there by the railroad tracks on from point 5 down toward the main railroad tracks that cross over the triple underpass. Did you find anything that you could associate in any way with the assassination?

Mr. LIEBELER. During that time, you continued searching through automobiles and searching the general area in the parking lot back there; is that right?

Mr. SMITH. Well, it was, I don't remember whether this was a deputy sheriff--I don't know his name he was in civilian clothes--he said they came from the building up here. And by that time, of course, all the police around there sealed the building off, and I went to the front door here on the, well, you might say, the Houston Street side. I and Barnett, and we sealed the front door and didn't let anyone in or out until he was passed by the chief.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me ask you this. Before you went up to the School Book Depository Building , am I correct in understanding that you did thoroughly search the area of the parking lot, you and the other officers?

Mr. SMITH. Well, now, I didn't go into all the cars. I looked into them, and I was well satisfied in my mind that he wasn't around there.

Some of the cars were locked, and I just looked into all of them around there, and I went back to the building.

Mr. LIEBELER. Who gave you instructions to go to the front door of that building, do you remember?

Mr. LIEBELER. So to the best of your recollection, it was one of those two men?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. Wait---let's strike that. No; it wasn't. It was Chief Lumpkin give us the direct order, I and Barnett, not to let anyone in or out of that building; that's right--Deputy Chief Lumpkin.

Mr. SMITH. I started back up here to the building, and we were just about at the front door when he contacted me and Barnett then.

Mr. LIEBELER. He instructed you and Barnett to stand at the front door and not let anyone in or out?

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; it must have been about 1. It was after I o'clock. I don't remember; no.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know whether other men were assigned to watch the back door?

Mr. LIEBELER. Because you were assigned to the front door, and that is where you stayed?

Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; there was something on that that they had to get some--- what was that, I don't recall what it was that they come in there for now.

Mr. LIEBELER There were some firemen from the Dallas Fire Department that went into the building?

Mr. LIEBELER. How about Secret Service; were there any Secret Service agents around?

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Agent Sorrels, the agent in charge of the Dallas office of the Secret Service?

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you at any time see Lee Harvey Oswald come in or out of the building, or in the area at all?

Mr. LIEBELER. Is there anything that happened while you were standing there with Barnett at the front door that you think would be of significance that the Commission should know about that I haven't asked you about?

Mr. LIEBELER. You just maintained the general guard duty there and only let the police officers and fire department in, and you don't have any specific recollection as to Secret Service agents. How about FBI agents; were there some of those?

Mr. SMITH. Let me think here a minute now. Chief Lumpkin, I know--I don't recall who the officer was.

Mr. LIEBELER. I don't think it is of any particular importance if you can't recall. What did you do after you were finally relieved?

Mr. SMITH. I don't know if this is of significance either, but they had set up, the Salvation Army had some coffee and I had a cup of coffee and proceeded on back to the Mercantile Bank. I had an extra job there that evening.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you conduct any additional investigation or have to do with the investigation of the assassination after that?

Mr. SMITH. Remotely. I didn't know him real well. Just knew him when I saw him.

Mr. SMITH. Yes; in fact, just before I got off from working at the bank. Just before 6 o'clock. A squad of detectives, I don't recall their names, but they told me they got a man over at the Texas Theatre that they thought might have been the one.

Mr. LIEBELER. After you heard the shots and went from point 4 on Commission Exhibit No. 354 down to point 5 searching the bushy area here, did you have any occasion to look up in the windows of any of the buildings surrounding the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets?

Mr. SMITH. No, sir; I was--pardon the expression--beating the bushes and checking the cars.

Mr. LIEBELER. Are you familiar with the traffic patterns on these three streets here, Commerce, Main, and Elm Streets, as they go down under the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. The motorcade came down Main Street from the east to intersection of Main Street and Houston , did it not?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; and it turned right on Houston Street and then turned left on Elm and was headed toward the triple underpass when the assassination occurred. What would have prevented the motorcade from going directly down Main Street under the triple underpass, remembering now that the motorcade wanted to go onto Stemmons Freeway?

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, could you have gone straight down Main Street and gotten onto Stemmons Freeway down here?

Mr. LIEBELER. Where the three streets go under the triple overpass, there is a concrete barrier between Elm Street and Main Street ; is there not?

Mr. LIBELER. Now where is the entrance as we go off, as we see the three streets going off the picture here, Commission Exhibit No. 354? Where is the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway?

Mr. LIEBELER. To go down Stemmons Expressway or Freeway towards the trade mart, you would have to turn how? Would you turn to your right?

over Elm Street if you had been on Main Street and gone under the triple underpass?

Mr. LIEBELER. So as far as you know, there was no reason why the motorcade couldn't have gone straight down Elm Street and gone on to the Stemmons Freeway headed for the trade mart?

Mr. LIEBELER. Is it possible that as you come down Main Street, if you stayed directly on Main Street going under the triple underpass, that you might have difficulty in making the turn with a big car from Main Street to go onto Stem-mons Freeway?

Mr. LIEBELER. I don't think I have any more questions about the situation, unless you can think of something else that you might have seen or observed that day that I haven't asked you about, that you think the Commission should know.

Mr. LIEBELER. I want to thank you very much for coming over. I appreciate your cooperation.

Will John "NAME" that federal officer/ or, are we expected to take his word for it???

McAdams is a man who teaches a University class and, has written a book on a subject that he knows "NOTHING ABOUT'. SEE>> http://whokilledjfk.net/radio_debate.htm (McAdams admits he doesn't have the 26 volumes.)

During our Five Hour radio debate , McAdams did NOT offer a single citation for his many unsupported claims.

The title of McAdams' book is "JFK ASSASSINATION LOGIC HOW TO THINK ABOUT CLAIMS OF CONSPIRACY"

A University professor who hasn't even read the evidence/testimony in the Murder of the Century is telling you "HOW TO THINK" ! ! !

I HAVE SAID FOR DECADES..("Until you've read the evidence/testimony in the 26 volumes, you'll never know FOR SURE, Which Side Is LYING To You ! ! )

(Meaning that Warren Supporters have had access to them for a Maximum of 4 or 5 years.)

The cover of his book proudly displays Jack Ruby's revolver with which he murdered Oswald.

ON PAGE 199, HE REFERS TO MYSELF AND THE WALKER BULLET.
McAdams attributes evidence tampering with merely Police Mess-ups.

According to McAdams "ALL" law Enforcement in the U. S. A are Total IDIOTS ! ! (local, State & Federal)

OSWALD WAS always SEEN IN THE COMPANY OF "ANTI-CASTRO CUBANS' OR, U S FEDERAL AGENTS. YET, mCaDAMS SEES OSWALD AS A COMMIE. (McADAMS' THINKING IS INDEED "CRITICAL".)

Perhaps Odio should have accepted the sexual advances of Warren Commission Lawyer Wesley Liebeler???

Sylvia Odio vs. Liebeler & the La Fontaines

By Jim DiEugenio

Just declassified at the National Archives is the record of Gaeton Fonzi’s interview with Silvia Odio for the Church Committee. We choose to reprint it here in full for two reasons. First, because it is interesting to note the actions of one Wesley Liebeler, UCLA law professor, in his apparent attempt to discredit her. There are still some who believe today that the Warren Commission was actually a fairly neutral body that was just tricked and lied to by the FBI and CIA. We find this an untenable position. We think the Commission, from top to bottom, was prejudiced against Oswald from its inception.

Wesley Liebeler is a good example of this. Liebeler was one of the strongest voices against the critics in their early days. As noted elsewhere (see page19), he spoke out against Jim Garrison early and often. The day after David Ferrie’s untimely and mysterious death, the New York Times and Associated Press quoted him to the effect that there was nothing of consequence to Ferrie’s role, the man was uninvolved and that was the reason for his name not appearing in the Warren Report. After that, it is apparent from one of his talks at UCLA, that he had been in contact with James Phelan and was preaching that FBI informant’s line on the “circus atmosphere” of the Garrison investigation. According to a memo from Sylvia Meagher’s 1965 files, when David Lifton was speaking to Liebeler about an upcoming private critics’ conference in New York , Liebeler corrected Lifton on the date of the meeting. Perhaps most revealing of all, before the HSCA, Liebeler had the following colloquy:

Q: Had you prior to going to work for the Warren Commission had any prior experience with any of the federal agencies, investigative agencies, FBI, CIA?

The second reason we have decided to print the document is because of the treatment of the Odio incident in the recent La Fontaine book, Oswald Talked. In our last issue, Carol Hewett pointed out some serious errors that the La Fontaines made in their assessment and treatment of the John Elrod story. There are some other questionable aspects to this rather curious book. In some ways it attempts to take us back to 1964. Relying on Gerald Posner’s new variation, the book contains support for the single-bullet theory (p. 376). Ignoring the work of John Newman, John Armstrong, and the now indisputable evidence of Oswald’s Minox camera, they conclude that Oswald was a true Marxist (p. 161). Concerning David Ferrie, they take the rather breathless stance that he was an unwitting dupe hired to create a phoney trail that would unwittingly link him to the assassination (p. 189). Consider this logic: we are to believe that cagey Guy Banister decked Jack Martin because he knew that Martin would spill the beans about Ferrie and lead Garrison back to Banister himself.

All of the above are reminiscent of those two veteran researchers Paul Hoch and Peter Dale Scott. The pair figure prominently in the book’s acknowledgements. Scott wrote a rave review about this book for the current issue of Prevailing Winds. Since Scott and Hoch have seen many of the new file releases, we find it odd that they would back a book that claims, in its very subtitle, to be based on the “New Evidence in the JFK Assassination.” For the truly new evidence completely contradicts the above deductions. For instance, it now appears that the cover-up about Ferrie and Clay Shaw goes all the way up to Allen Dulles’ old friend and protègè McGeorge Bundy. In a recently declassified FBI memorandum of 5/10/67, the following paragraph is included:

Branigan advised all information concerning investigation by SA Kennedy had been forwarded to the Department and to the Warren Commission, that certain of this information was sealed and this decision had been made by GEORGE McBUNDY [sic], Presidential Advisor, and members of the Warren Commission, and principally pertained to information showing certain people were homosexuals, etc., was not germane to the investigation, and McBUNDY [sic] and the Commission decided this should be sealed...

Since Bundy and Dulles had worked together since the Dewey campaign of 1948, and Bundy, according to “the new evidence,” was the point man in the White House delivering propaganda briefings on the Warren Report two months before it was issued, we find it hard to believe that the above is all completely innocent. Especially since both Shaw and Ferrie worked for the CIA when Dulles was chief.

The above also belies another underlying tenet of the La Fontaines, namely that only the FBI was employing the Marxist Oswald while this brilliant Marxist manipulator was infiltrating all those unsuspecting, naive CIA agents and assets in New Orleans and finally Dallas . To do this, they ignore the fact of Oswald’s CIA files being shepherded by Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton through the darkest sections of the Agency; the highly suspicious roles of Ruth and Michael Paine; the fact that the FPCC was the subject of a CIA operation launched by David Phillips and James McCord; that Phillips then followed Oswald to Mexico City in October to prepare the false and incriminating transcripts in the Cuban embassy that Hoover was in the dark about on November 23rd!

But the most disturbing aspect of the book is the chapter on the Odio episode. It is quite simply—in tone, method, and intent—a hatchet job that would bring smiles to the faces of Walter Sheridan and, of course, Liebeler. The method of personal ridicule extends down to comparing Odio to a delusionary victim of a UFO sighting and portraying her sister Annie as a dim-witted, weak-willed accomplice. In a case like this, no witness is above question, as long as the questioner plays fair and square. We won’t go into the La Fontaines’ specious methodology of carefully selecting certain aspects of the Odio record. Like Carol Hewett, Steve Bochan does a good expose of their incomplete presentation in the current Summer issue of Assassination Chronicles. Suffice it to say that we have problems with any researcher who chooses to trust and use the likes of Burt Griffin and Liebeler over Gaeton Fonzi and Sylvia Meagher.

We would like to make one additional comment on the document below. This may further elucidate Odio quoting Liebeler about Earl Warren in regard to covering “this thing up” (see the callout on this page). When Probe interviewed an HSCA staffer about Odio, he told us that the reason Warren did not believe the “Odio incident” was because Liebeler told him that Odio was a “loose woman.” The reader will understand the import of that remark by reading the report below.

She first heard of the Kennedy assassination on the radio while on the way back from lunch and she immediately thought of the visit of the three men to her apartment and the conversation she had with them. It produced a tremendous amount of fear in her and she later passed out. (She had been under mental strain of marital problems and the responsibility of caring for her four children after her husband deserted her.) The next thing she remembered was watching television with her sister and seeing Oswald and both recognizing him as one of the men who came to the apartment. "We were just so scared because we both recognized him immediately." They both were extremely frightened and very anxious about the welfare of their eight brothers and sister (10 children in the family) and their mother and father in prison in Cuba and, since they didn't know what was going on or whether or not there had been a conspiracy of many involved in the assassination, they both decided not to bring their experience to the attention of the authorities. ("I never wanted to go to them, I was afraid. I was young at the time, I was recently divorced, I had young children, I was going through hell. Besides, it was such a responsibility to get involved because who is going to believe you, who is going to believe that I had Oswald in my house? I was scared and my sister Annie was very scared at the time, she was only 14.)

She recalls when she was interviewed by Hosty that he kept pressing her to remember the specific day that the three men came to her apartment and she couldn't specifically remember. Still they kept pushing her for the exact date. (I kept telling them that I don't remember the date but I know that it was in the last days of September because we were moving at the time and that we had boxes all over the living room and that in order to open the door we had to jump all over the boxes. But I could swear I don't remember the day, but when I read the Report I found they had set a day and that they had done it for me.") ("I only remember it must have been the last days of September because we had already a lease for another apartment and that it was the middle of the week, not a Saturday or Sunday.")

She says she doesn't specifically remember being asked about Loran Hall, Lawrence Howard or William Seymour but she was shown numerous photographs, many even after she had moved to Miami in September of 1964, but was never told the names of anyone whose photograph she was shown. She recognized no one but Oswald. (I showed her photographs of Hall, Howard and Seymour which were in Tattler, Sept. ‘75, and she recognized none of them.) I asked her about the possibility that it might have been someone who looked identical to Oswald. She said, "When you see someone as close as I'm seeing you now, even closer because we were standing by my door for about 15 minutes and the light was just coming down upon their faces, when I saw him on television I recognized him immediately. And this guy had a special grin, a kind of funny smile. He kept smiling most of the time, he kept trying to be pleasant, but the other guys did all the talking."

“Well, you know if we do find out that this is a conspiracy you know that we have orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up.”

She remembers specifically that he was introduced to her as "Leon Oswald," and he himself said, "My name is Leon Oswald."

She says the thing she remembers most about one of the guys is that he had a "funny kind of forehead. It just sort of went back, with no hair on the side. It was peculiar and it's hard to explain."

She has the feeling, also, that the three men wanted her to know that they were going on a trip, that they specifically mentioned that they were going on a trip.

She wrote her father and told him of the men but he said he didn't know them and not to trust anyone.

She also told her psychiatrist, a Dr. Einspruch, then at Southwestern Medical School , of the incident.

She wonders why, after she was questioned by the FBI, they waited so long to call her back. It wasn't until the middle of the summer that Liebeler came to Dallas to question her.

She asked how candid she could be with me and I said I wished she would be totally candid. She said she could say something but she's afraid she could get in trouble because it would be only her word, although she would swear to it. She said she hasn't told this to anyone except a Mr. Martin Phillips who came to talk to her about putting her on Dan Rather's CBS assassination special television show. She refused to [go] on the show but she did talk to Phillips. She said she told part of this story to Phillips but has never mentioned it to anyone else.

She said that after Liebeler questioned her for the second time that day (the first interrogation started at 9 a.m.; the second at 6:30 p.m.) he asked her out to dinner. "That surprised me, but I was afraid and I went. We didn't go out alone. We went out with someone who was supposed to be Marina Oswald's lawyer. I don't remember his name, but Mr. Phillips from CBS knew. We went to the Sheraton to eat dinner. I thought perhaps there was something behind it and there was a kind of double talk at the table between the lawyer and him. I wasn't sure they wanted me to hear the conversation or they wanted to convince me of something or wanted me to volunteer something. He (Liebeler) kept threatening me with a lie detector test also, even though he knew I was under tremendous stress at the time. But one thing he said, and this has always bothered me, he said to this other gentleman, I don't remember his name, he said, "Well, you know if we do find out that this is a conspiracy you know that we have orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up." (I asked: Liebeler said that?) "Yes, sir, I could swear on that." At the time, she said she thought that maybe it was a bait for her because she had the feeling that they thought she was hiding something more, that she was involved with other Cuban groups perhaps or that she knew more than she was saying. "That was the feeling that I got by the time that they took me to dinner, that maybe if I had a few drinks and the conversation became very casual, I would go ahead and volunteer information he thought I was hiding. I wasn't hiding anything. But what he said struck me. I remember I had a Bloody Mary and thinking to myself, "My God, I'm not that drunk." I had one Bloody Mary and that's all I was having. If it was for my sake that he was saying that, it if it was a little game they were playing with me, I don't know. That's when I said to myself, "Silvia, the time has come for you to keep quiet. They don't want to know the truth."

"But that made me angry. Not only that, he invited me to his room upstairs to see some pictures. I did go, I went to his room. I wanted to see how far a government investigator would go and what they were trying to do to a witness. Of course nothing happened because I was right in my right senses. He showed me pictures, he made advances, yes, but I told him he was crazy. He even mentioned that they had seen my picture and that they had even joked about it at the Warren Commission, saying like what a pretty girl you are going to see, Jim, and things like that. To me that was all so, I don't know, anti-professional. I wasn't used to this sort of thing and I was expecting the highest respect, you know, and I wasn't expecting any jokes in the investigation of the assassination of a president. So that's why I'm telling you why my feelings changed because I saw something I wasn't expecting to see. I wanted to see someone who was carrying on an investigation who was serious about it but somehow I had the feeling it was a game to them and that I was being used in this game."

The fellow who Liebeler identified as Marina Oswald's attorney had not been at her questioning but they picked him up on the way to dinner. He left after dinner and did not go up to Liebeler's room with them.

(Showed her all the photographs I had with me and she could identify only Oswald in any of them. Except for one photo which I believe was taken of individuals coming out of courtroom following hearing in New Orleans concerning the Bringuier-Oswald fracas.) She identified the man in the background (center left) as her uncle and said she didn't know her uncle was involved with Bringuier. I told her that according to an FBI report, her uncle, Dr. Augustin Guitart, admitted to being at that court hearing. She said her uncle never mentioned his involvement with Bringuier but that she knew he was a "fierce" anticommunist. (She herself, she earlier said, was associated with the more liberal element of Manolo Ray's party and had always been a Kennedy fan.)

She said she has always wondered who the other two men who came with Oswald were and has always looked for photographs of them. She says she is pretty sure that one of them was a Mexican. Again she mentioned the "weird forehead."

“...he invited me to his room upstairs to see some pictures. I did go, I went to his room. I wanted to see how far a government investigator would go and what they were trying to do to a witness. Of course nothing happened because I was right in my right senses. He showed me pictures, he made advances, yes, but I told him he was crazy.”

I asked her why she thought she was selected for the visit. She said probably because her father was well known. He was a millionaire who helped Fidel in the mountains. He transported all the arms that went into the Sierra Maestras. He supplied arms and medical supplies. There was hardly anyone in the underground, she said, who didn't know who her father was. The family was exiled for three years when Batista was in power because her father refused to sell his transportation business. He was described in Time magazine as the "transport tycoon" of Latin America . She says he had a tremendous number of enemies, both business and political. He supplied the truck for the assault on the palace on the 13th of March. He went into exile after that in Miami . (I asked if she knew Pawley. She said she didn't but that her father knew almost everyone.) "We were very strong supporters of Castro until we felt betrayed by him."

She said she was surprised at the details of her father's life that was known by the three men who came to her apartment, the fact that they knew where her father was in prison. They mentioned the movements that her father had been in politically and called him Amador-Odio. They said they belonged to the JURE movement and knew she belonged to the JURE Movement, as did her father. (That was Manolo Ray's movement.)

But she also says that when she thought about it later it wasn't that difficult for anyone to know of her and her involvement with JURE because the Cuban community in Dallas wasn't that large and they all lived in about the same section of town. Also, there had been a big rally in a park on a liberation day (she didn't remember which day) and she delivered the invocation. That was covered by the newspapers and the television stations and she said the FBI later told her that it thought that Oswald could have been there mingling with the Cubans.

Also it was possible, she later thought, that the three men knew of her because when her father had been sentenced to prison it was a big story in the Dallas newspapers. It had all the information about a millionaire and his family and it also carried her sister Serita's picture. (Serita had come to Dallas before Silvia and was attending the Univ. of Dallas .) At first her father was sentenced to die and that's why it was such a big story. Silvia was still in Puerto Rico at the time. (Serita is now in Mexico .)

She says that when the three men came to the door they first asked for Serita and that they seemed confused, but when she told them she was Silvia and that she was the oldest they said it was she they wanted to talk with.

That reminded her of Johnny Martin. "Johnny Martin came out of the blue," she said. "That was a very strange thing. I don't know how he got involved with my sister Serita, how he was introduced to her. The strange thing about him was that his family lived somewhere in a Latin American country and he had this laundry, this coin laundry he operated. He would tell Serita to being (sic) her clothes there and he wouldn't charge her. And then Serita brought him to our house and we started talking about a lot of things. He was very clever and we were very young and soon he was telling us he could get arms for our movement. I got in contact with Eugenio (Rogelio Cisneros) and he told Ray he was coming to Dallas to meet Martin." Martin she says always seemed to be broke yet he said he had a lot fo (sic) contacts in Latin American governments. Nothing came of the meeting between Martin and Cisneros because Cisneros didn't trust him.

Re: Lucille Connell. She was a Protestant who got involved in the Catholic Welfare Bureau. She came on very strong with Silvia as soon as she arrived in Dallas and, in fact, had sponsored her trip from Puerto Rico . Connell had known her sister Serita first. "She struck me as the most fantastic, the most kind and considerate person I ever met," says Silvia. "She was just so generous, and I had tremendous admiration for her."

"She was very involved with a lot of different groups and talked to me about them. She was very intense about the John Birch Society. She was also involved with the Rosicrusians. And also with the Mental Health Association in Dallas ."

She was a very wealthy women (sic), married to a wealthy man but she divorced him and is now living in Long Island , remarried. (Name now Lucille Light

Connell had even gotten her psychiatrist, Dr. Einspruch (who later went to Philadelphia Naval Hospital .) (She later visited him there; he was wearing a uniform.)

"She was a very strong person. She tried to use the fact that I was ill in order to control me, my thoughts, my friends, my goings and comings, the way I raised my children. It came to a point when she called me every night to get a report on what I had done for the day, who I had seen, where I had been. She had a tremendous memory, a very tremendous memory. She could recall something, something she had seen or heard right away. I remember I mentioned the fact of the men's visit just once to her and she never forgot.

"You have to remember that I arrived in Dallas under tremendous pressure, I had just suffered the trauma of divorce, I had four children, I had all this responsibility of my brothers and sisters, it was a tremendous burden. And Lucille took me under her wing, took me to the country club, wanted to buy me dresses, wanted to introduce me in certain circles. I always had the feeling she was getting me ready for something."

"Then came this Father McChann. Father McChann and I became very close friends and he was going through his own crisis in his life. Lucille used him, managed him, handled him. I don't know how to say it. Lucille tried to get us together and then tried to get us apart and got jealous of our relationship in the meantime. People are very complex. She was very moody and enjoyed playing with our lives. There was a time when I couldn't say no to her for anything, She would call me at two o'clock in the morning and say, "I don't want to sleep now, would you talk to me? and I felt I had to even though I didn't want to and had to go to work the next morning." Only with Dr. Einspruch's help that she got strong enough to pull herself away from Mrs. Connell.

"This is why she was angry with me and maybe why she called the FBI. She was very angry with me because I was pulling away from her and getting stronger." She had also developed a relationship with a wealthy couple named Rodgers and Mrs. Connell was very jealous of that, also. (John Rodgers was the president of Texas Cement.)

(I asked her about her knowledge of Reinaldo Gonzales and Alpha 66 founder Antonio Veciana.) She knew of them and of her father's role in hiding Gonzales. She had never met Veciana and did not know what he looked like.

She said she also knew Jorge Salazar (mentioned in O'Toole-Hoch piece as Dallas Alpha 66 leader whose home at 3126 Hollandale was meeting place where Oswald was seen), but was never at that address and was never involved with Alpha 66. Actually, she only knew of Salazar and doesn't actually know what he looks like.

-That Leon Oswald's name had been repeated. One guy said, "I'd like you to meet Leon Oswald." Then he said, "My name is Leon Oswald."

-That Oswald had a slight beard and more of an indication of a moustache, as if he hadn't shaved in a day or so or (as they said) had just come from a trip.

-That one of the men was very hairy and showed a lot of hair on his chest above his shirt.

-One of them called the day after and, more likely she thinks, the day after that.

-That one of them had pockmarks on his face and a very bad complexion. He also had a "funny kind of head," a lot of hair but "big entrance on the side.

(re Mrs. Connell again: I asked her about Connell's report to FBI re Gen. Walker and Col. Castorr) "Mrs. Connell was apparently involved in more than she pretended. Whenever she wanted to find out some information she would take me out to lunch. I wasn't aware at the time she was using me. I knew she was involved with key people in Dallas and she was continually getting phone calls where she would lock herself in her library when she answered them. She was always mysterious, and always very careful not to mention information, she always asked. She did mention Gen. Walker, we talked about Walker . I knew she was involved with his movement and with the John Birch Society. I think that's why she was involved with the Cubans, because we were very usable people, and expendable. (Did she ever mention Conservatives of the USA ?) "Yes, she did. We discussed that, I remember the name." (Re Connell-cont.) "And then all of a sudden one summer she decided to become a Rosicrusian, and she started traveling, was it Oklahoma or someplace where the Rosicrusians have a headquarters? She traveled quite a bit on that, I remember because she showed me a card, they issued her a card.

Another association she recalled was the name of Russo, which she heard mentioned as part of Garrison's investigation. She says the name rang a bell and she finds it interesting that he knew Oswald by the name of Leon Oswald also.

Connell was not only involved with the Mental Health Association but very interested in psychology, mind control and brainwashing. She had a lot of books on the subject.

That’s when I said to myself, “Silvia, the time has come for you to keep quiet. They don’t want to know the truth.”

Silvia specifically remembers that when Leopoldo called her back on the telephone and told her about Oswald talking about killing Kennedy, it was not a weekend day (Sat. the 28th or Sunday the 29th) because she remembers working that day and getting the call after she came home from work, about 7:30 p.m. She is pretty sure it was not the day after their visit, but the following day (which would make it Friday the 27th at the latest; because Monday was the 30th and she was moving by then.)

EVEN J. EDGAR HOOVER KNEW SOMEONE WAS IMPERSONATING OSWALD WHEN OSWALD WAS IN RUSSIA.

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John:

Kurtz may have included his account in his earlier Lousiana History
article. In the book he tends to avoid using himself as a witness,
perhaps feeling there was already enough evidence tying Oswald and
Banister (hardly an "explosive" claim by 1982), but he added the account
in his introduction to the paperback edition.
I don't know if Andrews is credible or not. He may be on some things.
Banister/Leaflets: Hinckle and Turner report that widow Mary
Banister, gathering up Guy's effects at 544 Camp St. after his death,
found a "large stack" of Fair Play leaflets. Delphine Roberts, who knew
Banister's office as well as anyone (being his secretary and mistress),
told Anthony Summers that Fair Play leaflets were kept in an office
upstairs from the regular office, as Banister didn't want them in his
normal business office. Her daughter confirmed that Oswald had an office
there where he kept political literature. Summers says Andrew Sciambra's
interview of Mary Banister indicated she found "a number of" the
leaflets.
However many leaflets Banister had, it's ludicrous to continue to
act as though no Banister-Oswald connection has been proven. Here is a
summary of the evidence:

1. Oswald's leaflets were stamped "544 Camp St.," the address of the
building in which Banister's office was housed. Posner correctly notes
that Sam Newman, the building's owner, told the FBI he never rented to
Oswald (HSCA X p. 123). This avoids the question of whether someone else
rented an office for him, which is what might be expected if Oswald was
working for Banister.
2. The testimony of Jack Martin, who said he saw Oswald with David
Ferrie in Banister's office in 1963 (HSCA X p. 130). He was a not
particularly reliable drunk who worked as an investigator for Banister.
Sam Newman told HSCA that Martin was in Banister's office "90 percent of
the time; every day almost" and he "kept up with all that stuff."(HSCA X
p. 135, note 104)
3. The testimony of Delphine Roberts, Banister's secretary and
mistress,
that Banister kept a file on Oswald that "was kept out of the original
files" (the Louisiana State Police confirmed Banister had a file on the
FPCC and Oswald: HSCA X p. 131), that Banister was angry Oswald stamped
544 Camp St. on his leaflets, and that Oswald came into the office "on
several occasions."(HSCA X p. 129) She also said Banister told her, when
she reported Oswald's leafletting to him, that "He's with us. He's
associated with the office." (Anthony Summers, Conspiracy, 1991 ed., p.
295) Posner notes that she is extreme right-wing, a religious nut and
was paid for her interview with Anthony Summers (pp. 140-41), none of
which proves she was lying. Banister friend and associate Ivan Nitschke
told HSCA:"If you were trying to explore this to the fullest extent, I
would say that Delphine would be No. 1."(HSCA X p. 135, note 104).
Roberts told Summers Oswald worked for Banister. (Conspiracy, op. cit.,
pp. 294-5).
PLUS:
1. James Arthus' statement to the Secret Service that a man whose
name he didn't recall had tried to rent an office at 544 Camp Street.
(HSCA X p. 125); he gave them the name of the woman who had dealt with
the man, but she was never questioned. (Just as Banister was never asked
about Oswald.)
2. The statement of Ross Banister, Guy's brother, that he knew Guy
had an interest in Oswald, though he didn't think they were connected
(HSCA X p. 128).
3. The statement of Ivan Nitschke, the Banister friend and
associate, that Banister had some of Oswald's handbills in his office
(HSCA X p. 128).
4. Banister's widow Mary confirmed this to Andrew Sciambra of Jim
Garrison's office (Anthony Summers, Conspiracy, op. cit., p. 292). She
found a supply of the leaflets in her late husband's storeroom (Warren
Hinckle and William Turner, Deadly Secrets, p. 234).
5. Banister employees Allen and Daniel Campbell. Daniel reported
that Oswald came into Banister's office and used the desk phone. Allen
reports that instead of reacting with his usual anger at pro-Castro
activities, Banister merely laughed when Oswald's leafletting was
mentioned. (Conspiracy, op. cit., p. 293).
6. Another young Banister employee, George Higginbothan, said he
kidded Banister "about sharing a building with people papering the
streets with leftist literature." Banister responded:"Cool it--one of
them is mine." (Hinckle and Turner, Deadly Secrets, pp. 234-5)
7. Adrian Alba, whose office Oswald regularly visited, reported
seeing Oswald in Mancuso's restaurant, on the ground floor of 544 Camp
St. (Conspiracy, op. cit., p. 296). The restaurant was frequented by
Banister. The restaurant's owner described Banister, David Ferrie and
Jack Martin as regular customers.(HSCA X p. 125).
8. CIA operative William George Gaudet reported seeing Oswald with
Banister. (Conspiracy op. cit., p. 444).
9. Southern Louisiana University historian Michael Kurtz knew that
Oswald and Banister twice visited the Louisiana State University campus
together and engaged in heated discussions with students; he was, at the
time, one of the students. He also saw the two together at Mancuso's
(Kurtz, Crime of the Century, 1993 edition, p. 203, xxxix). Witnesses he
interviewed for an earlier article reported seeing Oswald and Banister
together at Mancuso's "with David Ferrie and Carlos Quiroga"; Oswald was
seen entering Banister's office "several times"; one of Oswald's
co-workers at the Reily Coffee Co. saw Oswald and Banister walking
together on Camp St.; another witness reported the two attended a White
Citizens' Council meeting (reminiscent of the meetings Oswald is known
to have attended in Dallas). (Kurtz, "Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans:
A Reappraisal," Louisiana History vol. 21, Winter 1980).
10. Another intriguing confirmation comes from Chuck Giancana,
brother of Chicago Mafia boss Sam Giancana, who reported Sam told him
that Banister was affiliated with the Chicago Mob from his FBI days in
Chicago: "We know [him]...real well." (Sam and Chuck Giancana, Double
Cross, p. 211) He was transferred to Marcello in New Orleans (ibid., p.
255), where the Chicago-affiliated roving Mob ambassador Johnny Rosselli
kept in touch with him and approved his manipulation of Oswald (ibid.,
pp. 332-3).
11. Further confirmation comes from Through the Looking Glass: The
Mysterious World of Clay Shaw by William Davy: New Orleans attorney
Tommy Baumler, formerly an infiltrator of left-wing college groups for
Banister, told interviewers in 1981 that "Oswald worked for Banister."

Damned Right he won't cover all aspects here's what he's been RUNNING from for NINE (9) YEARS

PRIOR TO HIS BOOK BEING PUBLISHED HIS BIGGEST CLAIM TO FAME WAS A five (5) HOUR RADIO DEBATE.

IN THOSE FIVE HOURS MCADAMS DID Not OFFER A SINGLE CITATION FOR any OF HIS RHETORIC.

ALL HE OFFERED WERE THE WARREN COMMISSION'S "CHARGES/CONCLUSIONS AGAINST OSWALD.

His book has 35 1/2 pages of citations. The problem is that the vast majority of them are from some other author's books.

American Justice is based on evidence/testimony all of which can be challenged by the defense.

Because McAdams doesn't have the Warren Commission volumes NOR, the HSCA volumes, I doubt very much that he has all of the books he quotes from in his citations..

It would be very simple for him to photograph his JFK Library and, post those photos on his website.

This book will NOT rest on my library shelves, it will rest in my bathroom with sign stating "IN case of emergency, break glass".