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Character?  Or, Lack thereof?

Some exchanges with Adversaries.

Do you see any references of Evidence/Testimony?

In compliance with Protocol I will start with the Leadership of the Warren Commission Defenders.

#1 John McAdams who is a Professor at Marquette University and even teaches a course defending the Warren Commission Report.

In his newsgroup McAdams admitted that the authorities Destroyed Evidence on 2 or 3 instances.  

After Repeated requests that he Identify which 2 or 3 instances he admits to, he Refuses to Identify them.

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E-Mail from McAdams on Sept, 25th, 2009;

"John McAdams" <john.mcadams@marquette.edu> wrote in message
news:4abd9b32.55039671@news.newsguy.com...
>
>
> http://bravehostradio.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=1951
>
> .John
>
> --
> Kennedy Assassination Home Page
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm


A Man usually stands behind his own words John.

The only thing that "harasses you is your Character.

Have you forgotten that you sent me a  computer virus?

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McADAMS THEN SENT ME A COMPUTER VIRUS. (SEE BELOW)

#2 is another University Professor, Ken Rahn  who also teaches a class in support of the Warren Commission Report.

I don't hesitate to inform folks that Misinformation in the Furtherance of a Felony is a Crime called "Accessory After the Fact".

#3 We have an Author Jean Davison of a Novel "Oswald's Game" who denies it's a Novel.  Even though the Forward written by Norman Mailer states it IS indeed a "Novel"

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This Page is "Necessitated" by the Threats employed by a few Warren Report Supporters.

Prior to the participation of Todd Vaughan, rob Spencer, Bud, tom lowery, Grizzlies and David VP, Americans used to engage in Civil Debates on this subject.

Because Conspiracy Believers use Official Evidence and Testimony to Win those debates, The WCR Defenders resort to Personal attacks.

Once those personal attacks begin, I always ask if they are SURE that's the road they want to take?

The ones stupid enough to say YES get Buried in Personal Insults by me. 

That's when they employ the Filthiest Language not even heard in a Lumber Camp.

When they Insult my wife by Name I inform them of how I'll "Retaliate".

Once they become aware of my Retaliation, They Become CRY-BABIES.

It has now reached a point where rob Spencer has threatened to "HACK" this website Because he doesn't want you folks to see the Official Records Proving Conspiracy.

Ironic, considering that rob Spence himself as they ALL DID, ADMITTED that the authorities Destroyed Evidence.

Proving that rob Spencer along with the others, Supports FELONS.

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BELOW ARE EXAMPLES OF QUESTIONABLE TACTICS EMPLOYED

HERE McADAMS PROTECTS SCUM>>>

The rule on the newsgroup is that you can't make an issue about what you
*think* are the aliases people use.

So I'm deleting this.

And every time I see "Rob/Tim/Azcue" the post get summarily deleted.

.John




On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, tomnln wrote:

>
> "timstter" <timstter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f5932591-93b4-4bd5-b6b6-8920b9d03c4b@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 6, 12:06 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>> MIDDLE POST;
>>
>> "John McAdams" <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4a79ed38.2599252109@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> > On 5 Aug 2009 16:34:48 -0400, Thalia <thaliac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Aug 5, 11:14=A0am, cdddraftsman <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> ^ JFK did Lee Radziwill, Jackie's sister when Jackie was in hospital
>> >>> with
>> >>> Caroline.
>>
>> >>> Key Notes :
>>
>> >>> REEVES -- A Question of Character by Thomas Reeves, NY: Free Press,
>> >>> 1991
>>
>> >>> An excellent book is John F. Kennedy's 13 Great Mistakes in the White
>> >>> House, by Malcom Smith, Smithtown, NY: Suffolk house, 1980.
>>
>> >>Where's your proof? As far as I can tell, all of JFK's womanizing is
>> >>just hearsay.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> McAdams wrote;
>>
>> > There is no doubt that Kennedy was a womanizer -- big time.
>>
>> I write;
>>
>> Just how many instances of JFK's "Womanizing" are you prepared to
>> "Document"???
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> > I'm not at all sure of all the cases Lowry posted, however. He seems
>> > to have put in both those reliably known, and those more suspect.
>>
>> >>PS Even if he was a womanizer, that does not mean he deserved to be
>> >>murdered!
>>
>> > True, but the conspiracy crowd tends to believe JFK was a saint and
>> > could do no wrong. So Lowry knows he can annoy you with accounts of
>> > Kennedy's misdeeds.
>>
>> > .John
>>
>> > --
>> > The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
>> >http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
> McTomnln wrote; [sic]
>
>> Just how many instances of JFK's "Womanizing" are you prepared to
>> "Document"???
>
> I write; [sic]
>
> Just how many more instances of you writing *I write;* [sic] are we
> expected to wear before you realise that you should ACTUALLY be writing *I
> write:*, tomnln?
>
> Many thousands more, I would expect.
>
> As for JFK's womanising, why don't you read The Dark Side Of Camelot?
>
> Helpful Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rob/Tim/Azcue seems to have an Unusual Allegiance to Assassins AND Character
> Assassins.
>
> I HAVE read the Dark Side of Camelot.
>
> I also know Seymour Hersh was Forced to eliminate a whole chapter when he was
> told that the letters
> he bought from Lawrence Cusack were FORGED ! ! !
>
> Didn't you know that Rob???

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McAdams Admits destruction of evidence;

Between McAdams & myself on his Censored newsgroup.

Notice the ones he ADMITS to.

Notice how many he AVOIDS.

ALL references to evidence/testimony can be found on my website;  

http://whokilledjfk.net/

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#1
John;
I asked you to IDENTIFY exactly which 2 or 3 instances you Already Admitted
to?

Apparently you have "Selective" Following.
I "Proved" Every one of my 14 points.

NOW answer which 2 or 3 times you already admitted to.

STOP playing "Dodge-Ball".




"John McAdams" <john mcadams@marquette.edu> wrote in message
news:43ffd456.46429625@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
> On 24 Feb 2006 22:51:22 -0500, "tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hello John;
>>Glad to see you still post here.
>>
>>When can I expect you to answer exactly which 2 or 3 instances the
>>authorities destroyed evidence?
>>
>>You already admitted the authorities destroyed evidence 2 or 3 times.
>>
>>Pleas tell of which 2 or 3 times of the list I posted?
>>
>>  1. Destroying Oswald's note to Dallas FBI Office.
>
> Yep, but that had nothing to do with any conspiracy.
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>>2. Withholding Hosty's name, address, phone number
>>          And license plate number from Oswald's notebook.


> Simply untrue.  An early FBI document listed "investigative leads" and
> it didn't include Hosty's contact information, since that wasn't a
> "lead."

> But the WC had the entire address book (not "notebook").
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> Jean has blown you out of the water on this.
>
> Why do you continue to push this silliness?

See admittance that FBI Agents Gemberling/Kessler "intentionally withheld"
that page.   Below

NOW, Who's "Blown Outta the Water"?

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>>3 . Destroying Walker back yard photo.

> That's simply untrue.

Official Records Prove you're Lying.   HERE>>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm

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>>4. Changing Walker bullet from "Steel-Jacketed" to
>>
>>        Copper Jacketed .
>>

> There was never any "steel-jacketed" bullet.
Original DPD Report said it was.   Volume XXIV page 39.

See above website.
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> If you believe every bogus early report, you can get a ton of
> "destroyed" evidence.
>
> This is like the "Mauser" nonsense on the day of the assassination.

Mauser story was from FOUR (4) DPD Officers.   See http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm

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>> 5. Changing transcript of Oswald's radio debate.
>>
>
> You're going to need to post some evidence of that.
>
> You never have.

WRONG;  Here it is AGAIN.
http://www.geocities.com/jfkjusticewatch/oswald.html
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>> 6. Lying when claiming Paper for gun bag matched
>>
>>          TSBD paper.

> Quit being silly. 

This is from the DPD website.   Who's being silly?


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>> 6. Lying by stating Oswald had NO connection to CIA.
>>
>
> Please prove a connection.

Testimony of CIA Employee James Wilcott found HERE.
http://www.freewebs.com/tomnln/cia.htm
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>>
>> 7. Lying about Oswald going to Mexico City.
>>
>
> LOL!
>
> You don't think Oswald went to Mexico City!!!

The Official Records say NO.

http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm

>> 8. Washing out Limo at Parkland Hospital.
>>
>>        Thus Destroying Evidence.  Within minutes
>>
>
> Not true.  When the limo got back to DC, the back seat was splattered
> with gore.

The Limo was washed out with a bucket of water while at Parkland.  From NINE (9) separate Sources)

>> 9. Stealing body from Dallas jurisdiction under
>>
>>          Gun Point.
>>
>
> The body wasn't "destroyed."  It made it to Bethesda.
>
> I thought you knew that?
>
> Were you not aware that the body was taken to Bethesda?

I said "STOLEN Under Gunpoint" 

>>10.            Stealing Limo from Dallas Jurisdiction.
>>
>>
>
> The limo is still in a museum in Michigan!!!
>
> Did you not know that?

I said "STOLEN Under Gunpoint"  WHY change the subject?    F-E-A-R?

>>11.            Destroying part 3 of P O Box Rental Application.
>>
>
> And your evidence for this is?
>
> If you mean they could not be found, that's not the same as their
> being "destroyed."
>
The Official Records states "Destroyed".
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>>12.    Showed LHO 133A BEFORE it was Found.  WCR App XI
>>
> You believe every silly factoid, don't you?

Are you Disagreeing with the WCR that you're Trying to Defend?    (see above
Citation)
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>>13.   Dry Cleaning/Pressing JBC's Clothing.
>>

> Yes, but how was that sinister?

Clothing with bullet holes are EVIDENCE.

ANOTHER "ADMITTANCE".
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> What might the clothing have shown about Connally's wounds that wasn't
> already known?
>
PROOF of Entrance/Exit.
>
>>
>>Switch Entrance/Exit wounds on JBC's Wrist wound.
>
>
> So you think Nellie shot her husband, right?
>
> If not, there would be no possible reason to switch the wound.
>
Strawman???   Entrance/Exit.
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> Now let me predict something:
>
> You are incapable of debating any of these issues.  You won't and
> can't defend the notion that any of these things are sinister.
>
> .John
as atter of fact; john mCadams and i did have a debate for five (5) hours on a detroit bradio show hosted by anton batey.

see>>  http://www.whokilledjfk.net/debates.htm

i find it interesting that i put that debate on my website while mCadams did not put it on his website...

SINISTER????
I said "Destruction of Evidence".
When You change "Destruction of Evidence" TO "Sinister, does that
"Decriminalize the act??

PREDICT???
Do you use a Crystal Ball or, a Ouiji Board???
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you & i idid debate .  you refuse to put it on your websiute because i beat the shit out of you ! ! !
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> The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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ANOTHER ADMISSION BY McADAMS;

#2

This one never made it to McAdams group Either.


"John McAdams" <john.mcadams@marquette.edu> wrote in message
news:43fff925.55852000@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
> On 25 Feb 2006 01:28:26 -0500, Martin Shackelford
> <mshack@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>You could have responded honestly to Tom's claims, John, but for some
>>reason you drifted down the slippery slope into misrepresentation--for
>>example:
>>
>>1) Whether or not YOU believe it had anything to do with conspiracy, there
>>is no question that the FBI destroyed the Oswald note, which was clearly
>>destruction of evidence.
>>
===========================================================
> Yes, it is.

That's 1 for 1.    Admittance
==========================================================

> But kindly explain how you think it was sinister.

tom never said "sinister".   tom said "Felony"
==========================================================
>>2) You don't know whether the original Walker bullet was steel-jacketed
>>(as was reported) or copper-jacketed (as the Warren Commission had
>>it)--your belief doesn't constitute a refutation of his claim.
>>
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> But an early report doesn't constitute any kind of strong evidence
> *for* the claim.

It was an Official Typewritten Report by the Investigating DPD Detectives.
see attached
=================================================================
> You really *ought* to be sophisticated enough to know that bogus early
> reports are a dime a dozen in this case.
>
> Or maybe you believe the rifle discovered in the TSBD was a Mauser.
>
> Do you?

tom did NOT state the Mauser.    Are you trying to switch focus?
===========================================================
>>3) Okay, who DID alter the transcript of the Oswald radio debate--someone
>>did.
>>
>
> Kindly point me to a source on that.
>
> Just was what the nature of the "alteration?"
>
> We have the tape, so I don't see how the transcript is a big deal.

In the Transcript they ADDED the word "NOT".  Changing the Meaning of the
Statement by Oswald.

> And we certainly know that getting the Dallas police tapes just right
> was a massive enterprise.

The DPD tapes were NOT the issue here.
============================================================
>
>>4) "Quit being silly" completely evades the issue. The "bag" found on the
>>sixth floor (allegedly) didn't match the TSBD paper, or did you miss that
>>FBI report?
>>
>
> From:
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm

Does Your website OVERRIDE Official /FBI Reports?
==================================================
> <Quote on>
>
> Jerry McLeer also has a problem with Cadigan's testimony. In his
> online essay, "The Paper Sack," he points out that the replica sack
> (CE 364) made ten days later does not match the original bag (CE 142),
> as James Cadigan testified. He fails to tell his readers, however,
> that a sample of paper taken from the Depository by the Dallas Police
> on the evening of November 22nd (CE 677) does match the bag discovered
> on the sixth floor (4H95-97). Apparently, the roll of paper was
> changed before the replica was produced on December 1st. Since all the
> rolls of paper in the Depository during this entire period were from
> the same shipment from the St. Regis paper company, Cadigan's tests
> were sufficiently precise to show roll-to-roll variation in paper from
> the same source. The fact that CE 142 and CE 677 matched is in fact
> strong evidence that Oswald got the paper for the bag from the roll in
> the Depository.
>
> <Quote off>
>
> Did you not know all this, Martin?
>
> And if you did, why did you post a response (above) that didn't *show*
> that you knew it?
>
>
>
>>5) Tom says the body was stolen from Dallas at gun point, which was true.

WOW   That's #2    Admittance
==========================================================
>>You respond by denying that it was "destroyed," which had NOTHING to do
>>with what he said.
>>
>
> Earth to Martin:
>
> Tom has been fussing and fuming about "destroyed" evidence!
>
> Have you not been reading his posts?

Which YOU conveniently AVOID.
========================================================

>>6) You also evade the limo issue. The limo wasn't examined by the Warren
>>Commission staff, but was shipped off and dismantled, evidence destroyed.
>>The remodeled version, used by President Johnson, eventually ended up in
>>the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan. That it's "still there" has
>>NOTHING to do with Tom's statement.
>>
>
> Earth to Martin:
>
> Tom has been fussing and fuming about "destroyed" evidence!
>
> Have you not been reading his posts?

Which YOU Conveniently AVOID
===============================================================
>>7) Postal regulations required that P.O. Box rental applications be held
>>for a certain period of time--the portion of Oswald's that would have
>>shown whether anyone else was authorized to receive mail at the box was
>>destroyed WELL BEFORE that time period had elapsed. Tom is quite correct
>>on that one, but again you evade his actual point. The REST of the
>>document was found, but the crucial portion was missing--you try to
>>pretend that isn't meaningful.
>>
>
> If you think it's meaningful, kindly explain what it means!
>
> I want to hear your theory on this.

They LIED John.    They LIED.
What part of "They Lied" don't you Understand?
==========================================================

>>8) Forensic pathologists routinely examine clothing in a criminal case.
>>The fact that Connally's clothing was dry-cleaned before being turned over
>>to the FBI involved the destruction of evidence. Why can't you just admit
>>that, John? It might actually give you some credibility, as the flat-out
>>"deny everything" approach definitely doesn't.
>>
> Martin, your flat out "everything is sinister" approach deprives you of
> any credibility.

Investigation of a Crime REQUIRES "everything is sinister approach" Sir.
==============================================================
> You just can't have any credibility when you huff and puff about
> things that you *know* are not the result of any conspiracy, and not
> part of any "cover-up."

WRONG John.
Withholding/Lying/Destruction of Evidence is what Destroys Credibility.
=================================================================
> That's not an intellectually serious way of discussing the case.

That is the ONLY way to approach ANY case Sir.
================================================================
 >>9) Finally, you employ your favorite tactic--demanding proof that
>>something is "sinister" when the poster never used the term.
>>
>
> If it's not sinister, it's silly to huff and puff about it, isn't it?
>
> If that your tactic?  Huff and puff about the supposed misdeeds of
> officialdom, and then when pressed about whether it *means* anything,
> respond "I didn't say it means anything?"

Do I understand that John does NOT consider Destruction of Evidence to NOT
"mean anything"?
=====================================================================

> .John
>
> The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Well John;
You have Identified 2 of the 3 times the authorities destroyed evidence
which you have admitted to;
How about ID'ing the Other one you admit to?

IN CONCLUSION    An example of McAdams Character. (or Lack of)

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BACKGROUND ON McADAMS>>>

Keven S. Caddeo   View profile    More options Feb 18 1997, 4:00 am Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk From: "Keven S. Caddeo" <it...@accent.net> Date: 1997/02/18 Subject: Re: Blown back by shot Reply to author | Forward | Print | View thread | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author   John McAdams wrote: > In article <33015550.4...@accent.net>, > Keven S. Caddeo <it...@accent.net> wrote: > >John McAdams wrote: > >> One of the great joys of this newsgroup:  the Ballistic Buff! > >> .John > >some things are intolerable, >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >one such intolerable thing is a mcadams post, >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >the man is CIA. >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >he is here with an agenda, >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >he doesn't even bother to hide that fact. >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >QUOTE ON > >> But you have Bill.  You buffs have been cooperating marvelously with my > >> scheme to make this group a shambles. > >> And you know the bizzare part?  My scheme is not a secret.  I have > >> publicly announced it.  I have made it perfectly obvious.  I have rubbed > >> you buffs' noses in it. > >> It's blatantly obviously to everybody. > >> .John > >QUOTE OFF > Great, Kevin.   Now you are cooperating with my nefarious plan to ruin the > newsgroup!  Let me tell you, pal, I appreciate it. > .John From - Sun Feb 16 13:42:31 1997 From: pand...@enterprise.net (Bill MacDowall) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Subject: The John McAdams FAQ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:48:33 GMT Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Message-ID: <33071e32.10137494@news.enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max08-224.enterprise.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Lines: 257 Path: news.total.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!nic.mtl.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news­.pbi.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnpla­net.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!news.en­terprise.net!usenet This FAQ exists to answer some of the most frequently asked questions about John McAdams.   It may be copied by McAdams to counter the effect the truth will have on his already frazzled reputation but then imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This FAQ will be posted regularly to forewarn new users of the dangers of becoming another McAdams victim. 1.         Who is John McAdams?              John McAdams is a professor of political science employed              in the Jesuit Marquette University (hard to believe but                true). 2.          Is John McAdams hell-bent on destroying this group?              Sadly yes.  His own words appended below summarise his              intentions better than I could. From jmcad...@primenet.com Sat Feb 15 05:17:02 1997 Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Subject: Re: Blown back by shot From: jmcad...@primenet.com (John McAdams) Date: 14 Feb 1997 22:17:02 -0700 You buffs have been cooperating marvelously with my scheme to make this group a shambles. And you know the bizzare part?  My scheme is not a secret.  I have publicly announced it.  I have made it perfectly obvious.  I have rubbed you buffs' noses in it. It's blatantly obviously to everybody.  .John This recent post by McAdams should be viewed in terms of the Charter he submitted as part of the process of forming the moderated JFK group: CHARTER AND MODERATION POLICY This group will be for the purpose of providing an area for serious discussion and research of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The group will be moderated to prevent the noise and chronic personal attacks which have plagued alt.conspiracy.jfk and made it nearly useless as a vehicle for intelligent research. Questions surrounding JFK's death have made this one of the most talked about and controversial issues of our generation.  This will be the one usenet group which deals seriously with this important topic. One supposes that since the noise and chronic personal attacks which have plagued the alt.conspiracy.jfk group were and are part of McAdams freely admitted plans to turn the group into a shambles, the moderated group can only be seen as his personal vehicle for selective manipulation of content. 3.       Is McAdams connected to the CIA?           Many people have suggested he is and it would not be             difficult to imagine how useful a professor of political             science at a respected university would be as a CIA asset.           It is impossible to know if McAdams has "company" links but           his background and behaviour may shed some light.  The           following is a quote from a letter written by McAdams to the           Milwaukee Sentinel Newspaper: ================================================================================================ is there a common denominator between mCadams and a catholic university? ? ? I AM AWARE OF SEVERAL CATHOLIC PRIESTS BEING IMPRISONED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY WITH YOUNG CHARGES. =========================================================================================================                 (Dr) Gary Aguilar accused me on the politics forum of being            A CIA sponsored disinformationist because I was once the           Marquette Official representative of the I.C.P.S.R.  an           utterly unspooky social science data archive.           The article below throws some light on just how "un-spooky"           the ICPSR actually is Not being widely known outside its narrow area of research the ICPSR may not register with most people, but if you are familiar with intelligence and covert action, you will recognize that some of their "classes" deal in "nation building" concept, which is what the interventionists call it when they set up a puppet government through subversion of the existing institutions of said nation. The ICPSR is housed in the Institute for Social Research, or ISR which itself has been documented has recipient of spook research grants. This is a repost of something Lisa Pease posted a while back that elaborates on these spook research grants and also contains Mcadams' admission, if not boast, that he was at one time "official representative" to ICPSR. They have a web page, so you can check it out for yourself.  You may notice studies on assassinations and the courses on the "formation of elites" in Chile etc.. The URL is: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/           Of course, McAdams may or may not be connected           with the CIA,  you pay your money and take your chance           in dealing with him. 4.       Has McAdams any track record in covert-type activity?           It seems he has.  McAdams attended the 1995 Copa           Conference using the assumed name Paul Nolan.  More than           that, he also fabricated a background to go with the name             in that he purported himself to be a jet-propulsion expert           and some-time computer store owner from Sherwood,           Wisconsin.  In that guise, he was quoted in an article in           the Washington press by journalist Matt Labash.  Mr Labash           later confirmed that McAdams had duped him.  Mr Labash had           quoted Paul (McAdams) Nolan in good faith whilst in fact           McAdams was lying through his teeth.  McAdams later claimed           he had used an assumed name to avoid contact with users of           the alt.conspircay group who may have been attending the             conference.  With McAdams record of wilfully abusing users           of the group, this story might seem plausible but going to             trouble of inventing a detailed cover story and lying to the           press have more sinister overtones. 5.       Has McAdams accused other group users of pedophilia and           drug abuse?           He most certainly has.  In 1997 McAdams openly accused one           Stuart Lyster of having served time in prison for child             abuse and accused Dr Gary Aguilar of being a drug addict.             In the light of McAdams behaviour in the group and his other           activities such as at the Copa Conference, Stuart Lyster             asked McAdams explain his motives in using this group and in           return posted the following offensive reply: From: 6489mcada...@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Subject: Re: A cornered rat turns vicious Date: 12 Sep 1995 13:04:53 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services In article <405_9509091...@miratel.uniserve.com>,   Stuart.Lys...@miratel.uniserve.com (Stuart Lyster) writes: >And .John refuses to discuss how he uses this newsgroup for profit. >So, .John, are you ready to discuss your *REAL* use of this >newsgroup and why you are here, and.... Stuart, you've first got to address charges that you are a pedophile who has served time in jail for molesting young children. I'm going to keep after you on this until you respond. .John             This reply earned McAdams coverage in the Milwaukee             Sentinal newspaper: By Tom Vanden Brook of the Journal Sentinel staff ___________________ A Marquette University professor who hurled profane insults across the Internet - including accusations of drug use and pedophilia - has been chastised by university officials, has annoyed people across the country, and has sparked a small, intense debate on etiquette in cyberspace. John McAdams, a political science professor who teaches a course on the Kennedy assassination and has created a home page on the World Wide Web devoted to the topic, admitted to using blue prose in computer correspondence. But he defended himself by saying he was responding in kind to people he says are viciously critical of his views on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. "The Internet used to be a reasonable place to discuss the Kennedy assassination,"  McAdams said. "Now, it's a complete 'flamefest'." "Flaming," in Internet circles, refers to diabribes aimed at those with differing viewpoints. McAdams is a vocal opponent of academics and others who ascribe to various conspiracy theories concerning the assassination. Last fall, participants in an assassination discussion group complained to the Roman Catholic university about McAdams' profane references to them on computer bulletin boards. Gary Aguilar, a San Francisco surgeon, said he contacted MU after McAdams asked him to respond to charges that he had used drugs. Aguilar vehemently denies using drugs. "He's extremely mean-spirited," Aguilar said. "What academic purpose can be served by calling people these names? I find it peculiar in the extreme that a professor at Marquette University, a Catholic instutution, would do this."            In response to these criticisms McAdams said" "I refuse to be driven off the Internet by abuse or attacks," McAdams said. "If I called somebody a bimbo, it's in reaction. I refuse to be bound by any notion of political correctness."            Of course McAdams didn't call anyone a "bimbo" which is            hardly a description calculated to fuel anger.  What he did            do is make allegations of child abuse and drug taking which            is quite different.            McAdams has made repeated claims that he did not accuse            Stuart Lyster of child abuse, merely asked him to address            allegations....readers will recognise semantics when they            encounter them.  Subsequently,  McAdams claimed Stuart            Lyster had apologised to him and was not making an issue            out of the pedophilia slurs.  To date, despite repeated            requests, McAdams has been unable to post this alleged            apology.              McAdams protestations of not actually having called Stuart            Lyster a pedophile fails to square with an article written            by Heather Anichini in Marquette University's own            newspaper: In condemning Vanden Brook’s ‘unfair’ assessment of him, McAdams wrote that his school paper, the Marquette Tribune, had produced a very fair story. In that story, written by Heather Anichini and printed on 10/17/95, McAdams claimed he had only called someone a pedophile in response to that correspondent’s accusing me (McAdams) of using the group to write a book....McAdams explained his actions in the Tribune saying, I was attempting to show the ridiculousness of such claims. ONE DOES NOT MAKE SUCH STATEMENT WITHOUT FOUNDATION. (emphasis added). The man later wrote and apologized (as noted above, no proof of this alleged apology has ever been offered by McAdams...perhaps he doesn't know how to fake email)  So McAdams, in order to illuminate the inadvisability making charges without having a foundation, made himself the unfounded, and decidedly more mean-spirited, charge of pedophilia! The purpose of this FAQ is to address the McAdams problem facing this group and provide some insight for new users to the group of what is actually behind the flame wars being carried out by McAdams and a few of his associates.     -- Spam E-mail Will Be met with a gratefull reply of: 10,000 to 1 for first time offenders, 1,000,000 to one for second time offenders, and total shutdown for third time offenders. As I believe in the joy of giving, more than the joy of receiving, Spammers take notice. ;-) Keven S. Caddeo, THE JFK ASSASSINATION PAGE, HTTP://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4523

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An Exchange between Professor Rahn & Myself;
I will put Ken Rahn's replies in RED.

BOTTOM POST;
I want people to see the WHOLE exchange.

"Kenneth A. Rahn" <krahn@uri.edu> wrote in message
news:e85fru01mkb@news4.newsguy.com...
> Tomnln,
>
> "tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:c5gpg.22679$8q.18503@dukeread08...
>> Talking about "Possibilities".
>>
>> What are the possibilities of you & I Debating this subject (Live) in
> front
>> of your Class???
>
> Zero.
>
>> What I have in mind is a series of multiple hours sessions.
>
> No way. That would be like giving the semester to you.
>
>> It would be a Great opportunity for your students to Really get they're
>> Money's worth.
>
> Hardly!
>
> Ken Rahn
>
At a Minimum this shows you to be an Anti-American Coward.
At a Maximum it shows you to be a Criminal.

Only a Criminal would take Thousands of Dollars from students and teach them
LIES.
Only a Criminal would do that and Refuse to Debate the issue in front of his
"Captive" Class.
Only a Criminal would Demand the Students accept those Lies or FAIL the
course. (thus Losing their $)
Only a Criminal takes a Position thgat can NOT be defended.

ANOTHER ONE....

Hey Ken;

Does this mean you're gonna Return all that Tuition Money???

Ken, do your students Fail the Course if they believe in a Conspiracy?



"Kenneth A. Rahn" <krahn@uri.edu> wrote in message
news:44a5b95e@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
> Tomnln,
>
> "tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:fodpg.22649$8q.7074@dukeread08...
>> Talking about "Possibilities".
>>
>> What are the possibilities of you & I Debating this subject (Live) in
>> front
>> of your Class???
>
> Zero.
>
>> What I have in mind is a series of multiple hours sessions.
>
> Then I should just give you the entire semester?
>
>> It would be a Great opportunity for your students to Really get they're
>> Money's worth.
>
> Hardly.
>
> Ken Rahn

ANOTHER ONE;

On 29 Jul 2006 00:09:15 -0400, "Kenneth A. Rahn" <krahn@uri.edu>
wrote:

>Tom,
>
>    Let's just write off this post of yours as an "honest mistake" (your
>words). It is about as far from the truth on the NAA as anything I have
>read so far. But we have been over most of this ground many times before,
>so please don't ask me to keep repeating myself.
>
>Ken Rahn

C;mon, Ken ... "you're wrong but I'm not going to discuss it with yo
or explain why" .... that's the best you can do?

Barb :-)
>
>

ANOTHER ONE....

Would you charge them Tuition?
Would you give them access to Both Sides of the issue?
When they find Conspiracy, would you give them a passing Grade?
Would you give them access to the 26 volumes?
If you Failed them, would you reimburse their tuition?

http://whokilledjfk.net/

"Kenneth A. Rahn" <krahn@uri.edu> wrote in message
news:44d6ae5a$1@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
> To All,
>
>    There is an interesting article on CNN.com today about Jim Fetzer's
> new group "Scholars for 9/11 Truth."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html
>
>    Maybe we should start a "Scholars for JFK Truth."  :-)
>
> Ken Rahn
> --
> Kenneth A. Rahn
> Graduate School of Oceanography
> University of Rhode Island
> Narragansett, RI 02882-1197

If you ever see this man, call Interpol Immediately

TODD VAUGHAN POSTS

The Warren Report was NOT allowed as Evidence into the Clay Shaw Trial because it was                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Ruled as "Hearsay" by a Superior Court Judge Aloysius Haggerty.

While 90% of the American people reject the conclusions of the Warren Report, here are some examples of the 10% debating tactics.

When the WCR Defenders are Losing the discussion of evidence/testimony they resort to "personal Attacks"

When they encounter someone who can Out-Insult them, they resort to Attacking Wives by Name.

When informed of the Retaliation for such Threats they Cry Like Babies.

TOAD's LATEST.....Notice spelling of "because"

I mention it because toad is always pointing out typo's rather than discuss Official Records.

> Because a woman came up to him and said "They are shooting the
> President from the bushes."
=====================================================================
> Smith said he himself had no idea where the shots came from.

THAT  Eliminates the 6th floor window Directly above him.                                                                                                                          Also see Report Below.about WHERE the shots came from.
=====================================================================

MY REPLY....

WHERE TO START?   WHERE TO START?

So many points to choose from

Unless toad wants to claim this is Oswald.

Look for this one on the website.
It's a Classic.


"tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote in message news:...
> WATCH THE SUCKER    S-I-N-K    FOLKS
>
> You're sinking as Low as the WCR that was Thrown outta a U S Court Room
> Trial.
>
> RULED as "HEARSAY".
>
> Here's MORE....at the Bottom.
> I want people to read the shit you post.
>
>
> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154560818.801243.144130@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> tomnln wrote:
>>> Produce proof Oswald wore T-Shirt ONLY?
>>>
>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/
>>
>>
>> Never said I had proof, did I?
>>
>> It's what we who are rational, thinking people call a "suggestion".
>>
>> I also "suggest" that you seek professional help.
>>
>> Idiot.

As they say in Court...."I Rest My Case".

The Warren Report was NOT allowed as Evidence into the Clay Shaw Trial because it was Ruled                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Hearsay" by a Superior Court Judge Aloysius Haggerty.

While 90% of the American people reject the conclusions of the Warren Report,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           here are some examples of the 10% debating tactics.

When the WCR Defenders are Losing the discussion of evidence/testimony they resort to "personal Attacks"

When they encounter someone who can Out-Insult them, they resort to Attacking Wives by Name.

When informed of the Retaliation for such Threats they Cry Like Babies.

HERE'S a few EXCHANGES by Todd Vaughan BELOW;

.
"Ben Holmes" <bnholmes@rain.org> wrote in message
news:dp4j0a02luj@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> Not very smart, are you?
>
>
> In article <1135985353.881530.14200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Todd W.
> Vaughan says...
>>
>>Ben,
>>
>>I never said I was in Tomnln's home, nor did I say I had connections to
>>him.
>>
>>I just said the Jerk Store called for him.
>>
>>Your powers of deduction have been upgraded to hideous.
>>
>>Oh, and the Jerk Store just called for you.
>>
>>Todd
>>
>

1-29-06

  1-23-06

1-26-06

1-26-06

1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138344226.756622.23800@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø      Tomnln,
>
> Still too much of a coward to remove the lies from your own web page.
>
> You'd rather spread lies about what Lee Bowers saw.
>
> You're a piece of garbage.
>
> Todd

1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138342959.774799.85720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tomnln,
>
>>Messing with Evidence in ANY form is a FELONY.<
>

=========================================================================

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138396174.871680.107940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tom,
>
>>Fritz is also the man who said "I took no notes".<
>
> And you're the one who said Lee Bowers saw the two men by the fence run
> away and jump onto a railroad car.
>
> Liar.
>
> Todd
>

Ø      ===============================================================================

1-27-06

2-1-06

2-20-06

> Here's a little known fact for you to think about once you sober up:
> not only is Lee Bowers not on record as ever saying that he saw anyone
> running from behind the fence and jumping onto a box car, he's on
> record as saying that he saw no strangers behind the fence at the time
> of the shooting.
>
> Now, put down the crack pipe and see if you can come up with an
> intelligent reply for a change.
>
> Todd
>=======================================================================

 HERE'S MY REPLY. (see bottom paragraph.)

Todd W. Vaughan is a Proven Liar.

tomnln doesn't prove todd is a LIAR.

The Official Records PROVE todd is a LIAR.

The Same tactics were Employed by robb spencer..

The Same tactics were Employed by Grizzlie.

The Same tactics were Employed by Steve Barber.

The Same tactics were Employed by David VP.

HERE'S a few EXCHANGES by Todd Vaughan BELOW;

"Ben Holmes" <bnholmes@rain.org> wrote in message
news:dp4j0a02luj@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> Not very smart, are you?
>
>
> In article <1135985353.881530.14200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Todd W.
> Vaughan says...
>>
>>Ben,
>>
>>I never said I was in Tomnln's home, nor did I say I had connections to
>>him.
>>
>>I just said the Jerk Store called for him.
>>
>>Your powers of deduction have been upgraded to hideous.
>>
>>Oh, and the Jerk Store just called for you.
>>
>>Todd
>>
>

1-29-06

  1-23-06

1-26-06

1-26-06

1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138344226.756622.23800@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø      Tomnln,
>
> Still too much of a coward to remove the lies from your own web page.
>
> You'd rather spread lies about what Lee Bowers saw.
>
> You're a piece of garbage.
>
> Todd

1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138342959.774799.85720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tomnln,
>
>>Messing with Evidence in ANY form is a FELONY.<
>

=========================================================================

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1138396174.871680.107940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tom,
>
>>Fritz is also the man who said "I took no notes".<
>
> And you're the one who said Lee Bowers saw the two men by the fence run
> away and jump onto a railroad car.
>
> Liar.
>
> Todd
>

Ø      ===============================================================================

1-27-06

2-1-06

2-20-06

> Here's a little known fact for you to think about once you sober up:
> not only is Lee Bowers not on record as ever saying that he saw anyone
> running from behind the fence and jumping onto a box car, he's on
> record as saying that he saw no strangers behind the fence at the time
> of the shooting.
>
> Now, put down the crack pipe and see if you can come up with an
> intelligent reply for a change.
>
> Todd
>=======================================================================

 HERE'S MY REPLY. (see bottom paragraph.)

Todd W. Vaughan is a Proven Liar.

tomnln doesn't prove todd is a LIAR.

The Official Records PROVE todd is a LIAR.

The Same tactics were Employed by robb spencer..

The Same tactics were Employed by Grizzlie.

The Same tactics were Employed by Steve Barber.

The Same tactics were Employed by David VP.

Hey Todd;

Are you Really sure that you want these insults to include OUR Wives????

Are you REALLY Sure???

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137125419.789151.8650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ben,
>
> You were the first oversized asshole to jump on the Tomnln "Paraffin
> test at 2:50" bandwagon.
>
> You make me want to vomit all over Tomnln's wife Ellen.
>
> Todd

HERE's ANOTHER
.
"Ben Holmes" <bnholmes@rain.org> wrote in message
news:dp4j0a02luj@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> Not very smart, are you?
>
>
> In article <1135985353.881530.14200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Todd W.
> Vaughan says...
>>
>>Ben,
>>
>>I never said I was in Tomnln's home, nor did I say I had connections to
>>him.
>>
>>I just said the Jerk Store called for him.
>>
>>Your powers of deduction have been upgraded to hideous.
>>
>>Oh, and the Jerk Store just called for you.
>>
>>Todd
>>
>

HERE's ANOTHER.....
toad;
You've said Bowers did NOT say he saw 3 men jump into a freight train.

http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm

The official report at the bottom Proves your a LIAR.

All these posts and you STILL haven't addressed this.     P-H-O-N-Y
F-E-L-O-N     L-I-A-R

The official Report proves my point   see below

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154018284.529108.37000@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> tomnln wrote:
>> toad;
>> You've said Bowers did NOT say he saw 3 men jump into a freight train.
>>
>> http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
>>
>> The official report at the bottom Proves your a LIAR.
>>
>> All these posts and you STILL haven't addressed this.     P-H-O-N-Y
>> F-E-L-O-N     L-I-A-R
>>
>
>
>
> I see you're not man enough to support your claim.
>
> Ellen sure picked a winner.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153972481.225654.175180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> > Tomnln,
>> >
>> > Just recently you've claimed that Lee Bowers said that he saw 3 men run
>> >
>> > from the picket fence and climb into a freight train.
>> >
>> > Please provide just one citation where Lee Bowers said he saw someone,
>> > anyone, run from behind the stockade fence after the shooting.
>> >
>> > Todd
>> >

TOAD STUFF;

http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm

Here is the Proof that you Lied.

http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm

1-29-06

>
> Tom, Bower never, ever, said the 2 men ran & jumped into a railway
> car".
>
> Here's what Bowers said about the two men:
>



1-23-06

>
> Tom, Bower never, ever, said the 2 men ran & jumped into a railway
> car".
>

1-26-06

>
> Tom, Bower never, ever, said the 2 men ran & jumped into a railway
> car".
>

1-26-06

>
> Tom, Bower never, ever, said the 2 men ran & jumped into a railway
> car".
>

1-27-06



"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138344226.756622.23800@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø      Tomnln,
>
> Still too much of a coward to remove the lies from your own web page.
>
> You'd rather spread lies about what Lee Bowers saw.
>
> You're a piece of garbage.
>
> Todd



1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138342959.774799.85720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tomnln,
>
>>Messing with Evidence in ANY form is a FELONY.<
>

=========================================================================

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138396174.871680.107940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ø       Tom,
>
>>Fritz is also the man who said "I took no notes".<
>
> And you're the one who said Lee Bowers saw the two men by the fence run
> away and jump onto a railroad car.
>
> Liar.
>
> Todd
>

Ø
===============================================================================

1-27-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138405572.438455.9660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Tomnln,
>
>>It's you and your Ilk who have "Pirated" the American Justice System. <
>
> It's you who's blatantly lied on your web site.
>
> Lee Bowers NEVER claimed that the two men he saw near the fence ran
> away, nor did he say that either one of them jumped on a railroad car.
>
> You made this up, didn't you?
>
> Todd
>

2-1-06

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138833176.281512.204490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Tom,
>
> Let me ask you a question.
>
> Where in the record in this case does Lee Bowers claim that he saw the
> two men near the fence run away and get onto a railway car?
>
> Either you have a source or you are a liar.
>
> Which is it?
>
> Todd
>

2-20-06

> Here's a little known fact for you to think about once you sober up:
> not only is Lee Bowers not on record as ever saying that he saw anyone
> running from behind the fence and jumping onto a box car, he's on
> record as saying that he saw no strangers behind the fence at the time
> of the shooting.
>
> Now, put down the crack pipe and see if you can come up with an
> intelligent reply for a change.
>
> Todd
>=======================================================================
HERE's ANOTHER....

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154460886.817053.72580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> tomnln wrote:
>> Right Here toad;        http://whokilledjfk.net/
>>
>>
>> Unless you wanna call the Bowere/FBI/DPD Liars also.
>>
>> That's what you do with Everyone who makes you look like a FOOL.
>>
>>
>
>
> Fool,
>
> Let's set the record straight. What I REPEATEDLY called you out on was
> your TOTAL CLAIM that Bowers saw 2 men run from the fence and jump onto
> a train.
>
> I examined the record in the case and found no indication whatsoever of
> Bowers himself ever saying...
>
> A.) that he ever saw 2 men run from the fence...
>
> or
>
> B.) that he ever saw anyone jump onto a train.
>
> That record remains intact. Even now.
>
> Now, you've recently posted an FBI document on your silly amateurish
> website where, a whopping 29 years after the fact, a 2nd party, DPD
> Officer Wise, told the FBI that "someone" in the tower said they saw 3
> men jump onto the train. OK, Tom, MAYBE Wise isn't embellishing his
> story and MAYBE that "someone" WAS in fact Bowers, and MAYBE he really
> saw 3 men jump onto the train (he stopped it after all). However, there
> is still NO RECORD of Bowers himself ever saying that is why he stopped
> the train. Further, EVEN WHEN HE WAS SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING WHY HE
> STOPPED THE TRAIN WITH MARK LANE, ONLY 3 OR 4 YEARS AFTER THE EVENT,
> BOWERS SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT!
>
> Does that mean anything to you? Or are you, as I suspect, for good
> reason, completely brain dead?
>
> Now, moving on, the other part of your claim was that "Bowers saw 2
> men" (later you added a 3rd man) run from the fence. But the document
> you posted on your website says nothing of the sort! And there is
> nothing in the record that supports your claim.
>
> You lied, didn't you?
>
> You also claimed that the document you posted was a DPD report, when in
> fact it is an FBI report, and you also claimed that the fence was
> "several hundred yards" away from the stockade fence. It is not. It's
> 150 to 250 feet or so away. From this I conclude, rightly so I might
> add, that you really have no clue as to what is going on, and very
> little credibility.
>
> As for your query as to "where they (the tramps) came from", in the
> real world in which I live (which you are obviously not a part of) the
> train tracks do not begin and end only where they are nearest the
> stockade fence. Therefore the tramps could have jumped on the train at
> any point along the length of the tracks. That you can't figure that
> out, and that you refuse to offer it as an explanation, speaks volumes
> about your lack of both intelligence and honesty.
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154366571.893169.71750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > tomnln wrote:
>> >> Hi toad;
>> >> You said Bowers Never said he saw 3 men climb into a freight car.
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you have a document where Bowers says otherwise?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I posted Official Proof that you Lied  HERE...
>> >> http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
>> >>
>> >> Would you like to address these Official Records?
>> >> http://whokilledjfk.net/
>> >>

HERE IS WHERE TODD PUTS HIMSELF IN JEOPARDY;

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137125419.789151.8650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ben,
>
> You were the first oversized asshole to jump on the Tomnln "Paraffin
> test at 2:50" bandwagon.
>
> You make me want to vomit all over Tomnln's wife Ellen.
>
> Todd

TODD ACCEPTS/CONDONES FELONIES;

FINALLY;

Todd Finally admits that evidence was CHANGED.
SEE BELOW.

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137972148.595441.323590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Tomnln,
>
> The only person misrepresenting the facts is you.
>
> You can post the Gregory Exhibit a hundred times if you like. Knock
> yourself out.
**********************************************************************
> BUT I ALREADY KNOW what the diagram says. I have the 26 volumes. I know
> that the typed Entry and Exit are crossed out and changed by hand.
**********************************************************************
> This is not NEWS (except for you apparently).
>
> The real issue is WHY. Why was it changed on the diagram?
>
> Jean explained that for you. Quite clearly.
>
> But you ignore that.
>
> Yet you claim to want to discuss "evidence/testimony" in this case.
>
> BUT EVERY TIME SOMEONE TRIES TO DISCUSS "EVIDENCE/TESTIMONY" WITH YOU,
> YOU DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO PARTICIPOATE IN THE DISCUSSION!
>
> I find it quite twisted.
>
> You're a joke, Tomnln. And I think most people can see that.
>
> Now, if you want to discuss the JBC wrist wound with me, fine, let's do
> it. I'll show you why the entry wound in on the back of the wrist,
> exactly as the diagram was changed to correct.
>
> Todd
>

ANOTHER ONE FROM TOAD VAUGHAN  WITH MY PROOF OF HIS LIES                     

ANOTHER LIE FROM TOAD;

Official Record from J. Edgar Hoover proving my statement will be posted on
alt.binaries.pictures
under heading TOAD VAUGHAN, LIAR.



"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155584893.194022.81210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> tomnln wrote:
>> Did the gov't Transpose frames 314-315 to give the impression the head
>> went
>> forward?
>>
>> (YES)
>
>
>
> NO.
>
> Anyone can see from the bit of the next frame visible at the top of
> each frame reproduction that the reversal didn't hide anything.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> toad STILL supports Felons.
>
>
> Ellen still hates Tom, secretly.

HERE IS PROOF TOAD IS A LIAR.

>> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155578949.286108.145780@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Phil Ossofee wrote:
>> >> BACK AND TO THE LEFT BACK AND TO THE LEFT BACK AND TO THE LEFT NOT
>> >> FORWARD AND TO THE LEFT BACK AND TO THE LEFT BACK AND TO THE LEFT.
>> >
>> >
>> > Did the head first move forward, Phil?
>> >
>

Only after they transposed frames 314-315. As shown in Official Record above.

TOAD's NEWEST GEM;

ONE MORE ONCE FOR TOAD

"tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155762094.618975.221700@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> tomnln wrote:
>>> WHY is everyone in front of the TSBD heading TO or, Looking at the
>>> Grassy
>>> Knoll when Officer Baker Raced to the TSBD within seconds???
>>
> =================================================================
>> "Everyone" is not.
>
> Point out WHO is focusing on the TSBD?
> ================================================================
>> Also, have you ever read the testimony of Phil Willis?
>
> The subject is photos showing where people's focus was.    G N or, TSBD?
> Losers always change the subject.
> ===============================================================
>
>
>>> They aren't even looking at Baker as he Races past them?
>
> My point Exactly.    NOR, the TSBD.    They All Focused on the G N.
> ==================================================================
>> Some are.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>
> ===================================================================
>>> Your logic (or, lack of) matches everything else you post here.
>>
>
>> Oh I think we've seen who got passed over when logic was passed out,
>> NUTCASE.
>
> Like your acceptance of Grizzlie's claim that Agent Hickey killed JFK?
> Why is it that you Never challenged That Lie?    Aren't you in pursuit of
> Truth?
>
>>> WHY did Baker give 4 different accounts of his lunchroom encounter with
>>> Oswald?
>
> Are you Avoiding THIS one on Baker in your Support of Felons?
> Where's that sense of Truth you claim to have?
> ===================================================================
>
>
>>> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1155746934.758315.201900@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > Ben Holmes wrote:
>>> >> In article <1155744106.630422.119410@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>>> >> Todd
>>> >> W.
>>> >> Vaughan says...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >lazuli777@webtv.net wrote:
>>> >> >> What I want to know is where is a photograph showing swarms of
>>> >> >> people
>>> >> >> running towards the TSBD as being the source of the shots?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >What, do you really think there's no one that pinpointed the TSBD as
>>> >> >the source of the shots?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The majority of people who first ran up the knoll where not even in
>>> >> >Delaey Plaza at the time of the shooting
>>> >>
>>> >> Yep... just happened to wander over from the next block...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In fact many, if not most, did "wander over from the next block". They
>>> > streamed into Dealey Plaza from the Main and Houston corner and from
>>> > east up Main Street. You can see this happening in the later sequences
>>> > from the Hughes film, and, to a degree the Nix film. Still photos also
>>> > help to bear this out.
>>> >
>>> > But I'm not surprised that you're ignorant of this fact.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> >and where doing nothing more
>>> >> >than following Officer Haygood. Even more followed them.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Good spin.  Everyone loves a running cop, right?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Spin?
>>> >
>>> > You must be truly ignorant of the photographic evidence in the case.
>>> >
>>> > Examine the photos, Ben, if you have them, and even know what to look
>>> > at/for.
>>> >
>>> > Stills by Bond, Skaggs, and Willis would be a good start. Combine that
>>> > with the Nix and Hughes films.
>>> >
>>> > The fact is that no one ascends the knoll until after Officer Haygod
>>> > does. Once he runs yup, others follow him up to the Overpass-Fence
>>> > abutment. Later some begin bypassing the abutment by going up the
>>> > walkway.
>>> >
>>> > Do you deny this, Ben?
>>> >

30 PIECES OF SILVER

Looks like toad got PAID for his Lies.

http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/badgeman_3.htm

SEPT. 19, 2006

Your memory is almost as LOW as your Character.

see it HERE>>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/frick.htm

It was You who wanted to Vomit on my wife.
When I told you of your COST for that, you became a Cry-Baby.

It was you who intimated you raped my wife.
When I told you of your COST for that, you became a Cry-Baby.

No wonder you deny being married to a Criminal.

You have NO Morals at all.

> You're such an freaking idiot Tom.
>
> It was you who first attacked my wife and family.
>
> Remember that?
>>

"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1158674239.301883.143300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > tomnln wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Lousy's Anti-Semitism gets wider & widerer.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Nothing Tom Lowry wrote was anti-Semitic.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > You're a wacko.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > And a liar.

See FRICK AND FRACK TOM LOWRY BELOW

HELL, See it right here.

This is the kind of Filth Todd Vaughan Supports.

Robert Spencer's own Words.

EXTRA    EXTRA    EXTRA    EXTRA    EXTRA    EXTRA

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Spencer

To: tomnln

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: Care to take a shot at the title Rossley?

See you Friday bonehead, be ready.

On 11/17/06, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:

I got a whole box of chalk Turkey.

Don't forget to bring your excuses for the Lies of officer Baker.
You know, the subject you've been Avoiding for over a year.

http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm

We can add this exchange to your Resume' HERE>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/frick.htm



----- Original Message -----
From: <rob.spencer@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Care to take a shot at the title Rossley?


> See you on Friday bonehead.
>
>
> tomnln wrote:
>> ps;
>>
>> You chickenshit Criminal Anti-American, Felon Supporter,
>> Blow-Hard; (emphasis on blow)
>>
>> The Only Turkeys in my home are Dead ones.
>>
>> As far as the Rock n Roll Drummer's request for pictures?
>>
>> I will send him that picture of you,    Outlined IN CHALK.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "tomnln" <tomnln@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:f6b7h.821$f12.359@newsfe21.lga...
>> > You're the Chickenshit robber spent.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <rob.spencer@gmail.com > wrote in message
>> > news:1163726354.440915.71170@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Friday noon after Turkey day. You better not chicken out Rossley.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> rob.spen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> Nope me solo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> tomnln wrote:
>> >>> > Considering that it was steve barber who originally suggested
>> >>> > coming
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > my home to teach me a lesson, Is he coming with you?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "SNB" <sbarber@i71.net> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:1163707823.154637.268470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com ...
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > rob.spencer@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> > >> Get ready Dog! I'm coming!
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Get a few pics , Rob.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> tomnln wrote:
>> >>> > >> > Just Stop by
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > That way I can Give America something to Truly be Thankful
>> >>> > >> > for.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > I already gave you my address.
>> >>> > >> > You were the coward who gave me a Phony address.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > ps;
>> >>> > >> > Your Resume to Satan is HERE>>>
>> >>> > >> > http://whokilledjfk.net/frick.htm
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Proving what a Lying Scumbucket you are.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Remember to get Permission from your P O to travel outta
>> >>> > >> > State.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > < rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > >> > news:1163701953.598125.148170@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> > >> > > I'll be in Hartford over the Thanksgiving holiday. I'll even
>> >>> > >> > > make it
>> >>> > >> > > fair. I'll tie my hands behind my back and drink a gallon of
>> >>> > >> > > metamucil.
>> >>> > >> > > Or should I just stop by?

END EXTRA   END EXTRA   END EXTRA

Rob Spencer;  ANOTHER FRICK 'n FRACK

Here it is AGAIN spence;     attached

Page 234 from Hosty's book "Assignment Oswald".

What don't you understand about the term "intentionally omitted"?




"Spence" <rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139787347.441968.216810@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Tom's rebuttal - thus far point #2
>
> 2. Destroying Hosty's name, address, phone number
> And license plate number from Oswald's notebook.
>
> Tom has not made much of a rebuttal on this point either. A scant few
> sentences from February 6th is the most that he can muster.
>
> Tom ON:
>
> "All one needs to see is page 234 of Hosty's book "Assignment Oswald"
>
> It specifically states "intentionally omitted".
> Tom OFF:
>
> I really must credit Jean Davidson on this one; she did all the leg
> work and found the proper documentation.
>
> Jean ON:
>
> Here's another one you should take off your list, Tom.
> 2. Destroying Hosty's name, address, phone number
> And license plate number from Oswald's notebook.<<<
> Hosty's name, address, phone number and license plate number are
> *still* in Oswald's address book, just as they always were.
> Scroll down to the last entry at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol...
>
> (CE18, vol. XVI, p. 64)
> Jean OFF:
>>From February 2nd 2006 until today, Tom really has not explained his
> position or rebutted Jean's post.

ANOTHER ROB SPENCER gem.....

But Tony, it was not the FBI that arrested him. My question is why go
back to the rooming house at all? Why would he not have tucked the
revolver in his pants before he went to work?

Probablly a good arguement for a setup. Oz goes to the TSBD with only
his rifle and gets set up, realizes he is in trouble, goes back to the
rooming house to retrieve his revolver for protection.

I could see where this would be a logical arguement.

Rob

ANOTHER ROB gem;

THANK YOU SPENCE;

Please read what YOU posted below


"Spence" <rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139791024.026242.59680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Tom's rebuttal thus far - point 6
>
> 6. Lying when claiming Paper for gun bag matched TSBD paper.
>
> My initial response:
>
> Rob On:
> I'm not sure what you mean about lying. Who lied to who?
> James Cadigan tested the bag, here is his information and testimony:
>
> FBI special agent James Cadigan tested the long bag with paper that was
> taken from the depository on the day of the assassination. He concluded
> that both the paper and the tape were identical (4H97). A replica bag was
> made ten days after the assassination.
************************************************
While it was unknown whether the
> rolls had been changed in the four working days, Cadigan testified that
> the replica bag and the original bag were not identical but
> distinguishable by him (4H95).
***************************************************
This test showed that even though the paper
> in both the replica bag and the original bag was made by the same
> manufacturer, different rolls are distinguishable, showing the time period
> and the location from which the bag came. Cadigan also testified as to
> whether there were any marks that linked the rifle to the bag.
>
> (2)
>
> Mr. CADIGAN. I was also requested at that time to examine the bag to
> determine if there were any significant markings or scratches or
> abrasions or anything by which it could be associated with the rifle .
> . .
> Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
> Mr. CADIGAN. And I couldn't find any such markings.
> Mr. EISENBERG. Now, was there an absence of markings which would be
> inconsistent with the rifle having been carried in the bag?
> Mr. CADIGAN. No; . . .if the gun was in the bag, perhaps it wasn't
> moved too much. I did observe some scratch marks and abrasions but was
> unable to associate them with this gun . . . There were no marks on
> this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle
> or any other given instrument.
> Mr. EISENBERG. Was there any absence of markings or absence of bulges
> or absence of creases which would cause you to say that the rifle was
> not carried in the paper bag?
> Mr. CADIGAN. No.
> . . .
> Mr. DULLES. Would the scratches indicate there was a hard object inside
> the bag . . .?
> Mr. CADIGAN. Well, if you were to characterize it that way, yes. I mean
> there were a few scratches here. What caused them, I can't say. A hard
> object; yes (4H97-8). [Emphasis added]
> Rob OFF:
>
> To Tom's credit, he did respond directly to this point:
>
> Tom On:
>
> rob;
> What you posted below is "Another Admittance" by authorities.
> "Cadigan testified
> that the replica bag and the original bag were not identical but
> distinguishable by him (4H95)."
> The words YOU chose to quote Prove my point.
> Tom Off:
>
> As we can see Tom's supporting documentation is overwhelming, two
> whole sentences!
>
>

ANOTHER ONE....

#1  You didn't need to reprint so much of Hosty's book.
       I already have it.   But I hope you notice that everything he said
was "self-serving".

       I hope you noticed the Low Opinion agents had of JEH.

      You neglected to point out that 3 different stories from 3 different
people (Hosty/Howe/Fenner) about
      what that note from Oswald said.

You also neglected to point out that the destruction was a Felony No matter
WHY it was destroyed.


<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137594896.534253.142740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ok let's look at these one at a time.

"1. Destroying Oswald's note to Dallas FBI Office."

I assume you are talking the note that Oz left for FBI Agent James
Hosty prior to the assassination. Hosty does admit that he destroyed
the memo. It was never admitted as evidence in the Warren Comissions
findings, but is it an indication of a conspiracy? Or was it Hosty's
attempt to cover his own bacon as well as the Bureau's.? What if this
memo was admitted into the "Official Records" I can't see it really
having any effect on the Warren Comissions findings. If the memo had
surfaced, Hosty would have been on the rack for not taking any further
actions to protect the President and probablly would have been
diciplined or fired.

A SPENCER CLASSIC....

MORE SPENCER....

You folks Sure are afraid to address Evidence/Testimony ain't ya?

http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm


<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153879323.168794.258410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm speechless! What an honor! Tom, I would not be here today if not
> for you.
>
>
> cdddraftsman wrote:
>> It was announced today that four more top rip's will be inducted into
>> the hall of fame . Here are some of them : From:  rob.spen. To :Tomln :
>>  (1)  Tom after being married to Ellen all these years, you of all
>> people should know something about putting small objects in large holes
>>  (2) Estate Sale of tomln : One Dell Computer with the keys F, E, L, O
>> and N almost worn off the keyboard  (3) Rossly's Eulogy :  Officer Mike
>> Hunt, South Windsor Police Dept
>> "He had many hobbies, and he was very proud of them. He had that rarest
>> of gifts: the ability to find the beauty and artistry in the hardcore
>> amateur farm porn he shot with his Super 8 over at Oakville Community
>> Stables." (4) Rossly's Eulogy :  Neil Down South Windsor Social
>> Services Director "He touched all of our lives. Unfortunately, he also
>> touched several of our children."

MAY 4, 2006 10:41 A.M.

 
As much as I would like to take a poke at Tom with a few one liners, he
does raise a valid point. We have an FBI agent on record saying he does
not believe the "official line" of a SBT.

ROB SPENCER; BOOK BURNER;

If this is a warning that you're gonna Hack my website?
I remind you that it's a Federal Offense.

Not that you would be above committing a Crime.

May this serve as a warning to Humans that you're nothing more than a Nazi
Book Burner.

Only a Terrotist would NOT want Official Government Records made Public.

You "DO" live up to my expectations of you robber spence.

This threat from you belongs on my website so others can see Exactly what
you are.

http://whokilledjfk.net/



<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155037764.569361.190040@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> If you ever wanna know what the Official Records say......Go Here.
>
> Not for long
>
>

HEHEHEHE For you to find out! You never know when those pesky things
will bite!


tomnln wrote:
> If this is a warning that you're gonna Hack my website?
> I remind you that it's a Federal Offense.
>
> Not that you would be above committing a Crime.
>
> May this serve as a warning to Humans that you're nothing more than a Nazi
> Book Burner.
>
> Only a Terrotist would NOT want Official Government Records made Public.
>
> You "DO" live up to my expectations of you robber spence.
>
> This threat from you belongs on my website so others can see Exactly what
> you are.
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/
>
>
>
> <rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155037764.569361.190040@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > If you ever wanna know what the Official Records say......Go Here.
> >
> > Not for long
> >

Because I beat the snot out of robb spencer on evidence/testimony, HERE is what he Resorts to.  

WARNING: The website link contains FILTH that Exemplifies Robb Spencer's character (top line is my reply to him) 

   (top line Your Your dad has More Hair than you do???



<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155258062.457571.118140@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Maybee Tyree is his stage name
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAXEkJEw4KM
>

robb's commitment to Porno;  Rather than discuss Evidence/Testimoiny

You NEED to spend time in the 26 volumes sicky.

http://whokilledjfk.net/



<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155263194.044134.63810@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UanhzdnIk-I
>

HEEEEERE'S   ROBBO,  From newsgroup

Due to advise I recieved today from Steve Barber's counsel, I regret to
inform everyone that the publication of NUTSACK!.com will be delayed
indefinately.

I can neither confirm nor deny any pending civil and/or criminal
actions brought against Mr. Rossley by Steve Barber, but suffice it to
say I have been contacted by persons representing Mr. Barber.

MARRIED??

<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154019403.366722.178880@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm not married! NUTSACK!
> >

NOT MARRIED??
<rob.spencer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154035430.804591.64070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>A Single Guy (wink wink) would know all about Sheep Farms Pervert.
>
> How dare you! I'm a married man you idiot!
>

I hear that Drugs can have an awful effect on the Memory.

Somehow, this guy Forgets where he lives.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Photo_shows/Rochester16Aug05/Rob2.html

as opposed to....

1060 W Addison St
Chicago, IL 60613

Stop by any time!

Here is why robbo uses personal attacks;
The following exchange between he & I Prove he knows there was a conspiracy.

That makes him a Criminal.
                                          ********************************
That really would be an issue for the courts. Police would be able to gather
whatever evidence that lended creedence to their case. I'n not a lawyer, so
I couldn;t tell you this for sure, but I have read about numerous judges
throwing out cases beacuse of faulty evidence that the police have brought,
paraffin being only one of them.

I think the fact that LHO tested positive on his hands but negative on his
cheek would only have served to bolster his defense in the event of a
subsequent trial. A good defense attorney woud have made note of this if the
prosecution intended to use it as evidence.

I do have access to a fairly large law library, maybe there I can cite some
case law where a judge has thrown out that evidence.

Rob


On 1/28/06, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
  rob;
  I appreciate your claim.
  Can you please give me a Citation that any police dept. Discarded the use
of paraffin tests
  Because they are "Unreliable"?
  ******************************************************************************************************************************
HERE IS MORE FROM ROBBO;

But Tony, it was not the FBI that arrested him. My question is why go
back to the rooming house at all? Why would he not have tucked the
revolver in his pants before he went to work?

Probablly a good arguement for a setup. Oz goes to the TSBD with only
his rifle and gets set up, realizes he is in trouble, goes back to the
rooming house to retrieve his revolver for protection.

I could see where this would be a logical arguement.

Rob

GRIZZLIE ANTAGONIST;

TOM LOWERY

Let's let tom lowery's posts speak for themselves Below.

I was told years ago that most Porn comes from Inmates in Prison because Time is all they have.

Tom "Anti-semite" is the Personifiation of that adage.

IN HIS OWN WORDS....

True and I also heard some where that Jgar himself had some Jewish
blood in him , so I don't no if that criticism is valid or not .
Believe it or not , this country still has the most freedom of any
country in the world . With CTer's around , like flea's on a barnyard
floor , I thiink it proves we have too much freedom . People yelling
fire in a crowded theater , should be illegal . Tom Lowry


Walt wrote:
> cdddraftsman wrote:
> > This communist inspired manifesto against the usg was started by Lane ,
> > Wisenburger , Garrison and thier ilk , all commy's , all up to their
> > eyeballs in it . Some small kibbles and bits , sniped from T.V.'s
> > article. :
> >
> > In 1939, Mr. Weisberg jeopardized the security of government
> > information by leaking to a communist newspaper, The Daily Worker, and
> > harbored subversive ideological sympathies, the FBI file states .
> > Throughout the years, government documents contain frequent attacks on
> > the author's character, describing him as a miscreant with delusions of
> > conspiracy. For decades, the Federal Bureau of Investigation wrote
> > analyses of his public statements, books and newspaper articles. These
> > conflicts established the groundwork for the FBI's later
> > accusations that Mr. Weisberg was a communist and deserved to be denied
> > access to information about JFK's assassination.
>
>
> I have no idea what Mr. Weisberg believed politically, but the FACT
> that Hoover's FBI kept a file on him, tells me that Hoover didn't like
> him..... probably because he was jewish.
>
> If he was a communist..... That was his choice... And according to the
> history books the United States was still a FREE country back in the
> 40's, 50's and 60's.
>
>  Walt

TOM LOUSY's LATEST

The ACLU was formed in the 1920's by a group of radical
Jewish lawyers for the purpose of assisting & defending
predominately-Jewish Communists.  They have continued
their radical agenda - focused on destroying traditional
American culture and advancing leftist causes  - ever since.
Now, their most important role is to deflect attention from
the activities of the even more destructive ADL.

ACLU Top Heavy with Jews


2006-10-07





Most thinking people know that the American Civil Liberties Union is
vehemently anti-Christian. What they don't know is that 3 of 6 of
ACLU's top national leaders are liberal Jewish activists.


Although ACLU's executive director, Anthony D. Romero, is an in-your-
face Hispanic homosexual, second in command is Nadine Strossen,
Jewish. She was given the "Woman of Distinction" award from the
Women's League of Conservative Judaism and the "Women who Dared" award
from the National Council of Jewish Women. A member of the Council on
Foreign Relations, she is married to Eli M. Noam, professor and
founding director of Columbia University's Institute for Tele-
Information.


Third in command at ACLU is legal counsel Steven Shapiro. As the legal
mastermind of ACLU, he may well wield greatest power. Shapiro commands
an army of 90 fulltime lawyers, maintaining an active docket of cases
harassing the public expression of Christian values across America.


Geri E. Rozanski, director of affiliate support, is also a Jewish
activist. Before joining ACLU, she was director for the large field
operation of the American Jewish Committee.


Executive Director Anthony Romero may largely fulfill the role of a
token Latino/homosexual figurehead. Ultimately, he may be Gentile
window dressing, meant to deflect public attention from the real
brains behind the ACLU, Strossen and Shapiro.


Jews behind "Civil Liberties" Fronts


Jews comprise only 2.5 percent of the American population, yet most of
the largest anti-Christian "civil liberties" organizations are
disproportionately staffed by them:


B'nai B'rith International, initiator of hate crimes laws in Canada,
Europe, and Australia is 100 percent Jewish. The same is true of its
civil liberties pit bull, ADL.


People for the American Way, founded and directed by left-wing Jewish
TV producer Norman Lear, contains a disproportionate number of Jews in
its top leadership. Three of eight have Jewish names. Carol Blum is
executive vice president and chief operating officer. Elliot Mincberg
is senior vice president, general counsel, and legal director. Sharon
Lettman is vice president of external affairs and director of national
programs and outreach.


The Southern Poverty Law Center, chief antagonist to public display of
Judge Roy Moore's 10 Commandments, is even more predominantly Jewish.
Its three top leaders are Jews. President and CEO is J. Richard Cohen.
Founder and chief trial counsel is Morris Dees. Founder and president
emeritus is Joseph J. Levin Jr.


ACLU: Distraction from Real Enemy


For the past 40 years, the evangelical right has found the ACLU the
perfect villain for a simple reason: Since it is not perceived as
Jewish, they can criticize it without danger of being labeled "anti-
Semitic."


The ACLU performs a very devious and useful role as part of the
overall conspiracy of Jewish activism against Christianity: It
distracts Christians and conservatives from a much greater threat,
ADL. The ACLU makes itself conspicuously outrageous, as threatening to
Christian values and symbols as can be imagined. This entirely
preoccupies the attention of the religious right. As a result,
ADL/B'nai B'rith over the last 40 years has been free to develop and
put in place their Orwellian "anti-hate laws" throughout the western
hemisphere.


Milestones of such erosion of Christian freedom include:


1) Passage of ADL's Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990. This gave ADL
complete control in America of "hate crimes" education and enforcement
for police, FBI, and the US Justice Department.


2) Passage of ADL "hate" laws in 46 US states during the past two
decades.


3) Creation of thought crimes bureaucracies, outlawing public
criticism of homosexuality and Judaism in Canada, Europe, and
Australia/New Zealand.


4) Creation of an "Office of Global Anti-Semitism" in the US State
Department, making Christians into anti-Semites. (See, "U.S. State
Department Says New Testament is 'Anti-Semitic'")


5) Creation of a vast 55-nation "anti-hate" bureaucracy in Europe, the
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. OSCE vows to
outlaw "cyberhate," ending free speech and free talk radio on the
internet. (See, "Global Hate Crimes Gestapo Being Created")


Failure of Perception and Strategy


Yes, ACLU is busy defending pornographers and litigating against
crosses, the 10 Commandments in public, and nativity scenes at
Christmastime. But in a far more threatening way, taking advantage of
the distraction provided by ACLU, ADL has been massively destroying
freedom of speech in most of the western industrialized world. To this
moment, it has done so unidentified and virtually unresisted by the
leaders of Christendom and the new right.


As long as Christian leaders lay blame upon secular humanism, the New
World Order, liberalism, or the ACLU and remain afraid to identify the
real culprit, liberal Jewish activism, all these Jewish-dominated
"civil liberties groups" will continue to harass and enfeeble the
church.


With Christian activism so misdirected, Jewish activism, much more
focused and relentless, will continue to prevail.

The Epitome of Anti-Semitism

DAVID VP

Terrific;

You've even outdone Bud this time.'

And, to think you guys call us kooks????

You are Officially on the website.

-

"David VP" <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155662739.277526.149860@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> "David; Do you Drool when you stutter??" <<<
>
> Only when I'm thinking about your hot-&-sweaty thighs and nutsack. And
> also when thinking about your firm, proud buttocks and rock-hard
> nipples. That stuff just makes me drool all over. And just makes me
> qwazy!!!!
>
> http://drool.popey.com/drool.png
>

ANOTHER OFFERING FROM DAVID. WITH MY RESPONSE

Only the Faggots and Criminals.

http://whokilledjfk.net/

This one will show exactly what you are on my website.



"David VP" <davevonpein@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155626971.724597.319990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone else taken note of the fact that a person (or entity) named
> Tom-Sack-Kook is a complete loon and an unrestrained moron??
>
> Just curious....
>

Steve L claims to be a member of Law 
Enforcement.

GOD Help America ! ! !

Read below what he wrote....(in Green)

>> <SDL2147@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158707036.230591.123860@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > tomnln wrote:
>> >> Your memory is almost as LOW as your Character.
>> >>
>> >> see it HERE>>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/frick.htm
>> >>
>> >> It was You who wanted to Vomit on my wife.
>> >> When I told you of your COST for that, you became a Cry-Baby.
>> >
>> > How much does it cost to vomit on your wife, Tom?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It was you who intimated you raped my wife.
>> >> When I told you of your COST for that, you became a Cry-Baby.
>> >>
>> >> No wonder you deny being married to a Criminal.
>> >>
>> >> You have NO Morals at all.
>> >>
I answered.....

<SDL2147@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158712822.840391.57890@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> tomnln wrote:
>> Why don't you stop by and find out.
>>
>
> I wouldn't have the time to stand in line.
>
>> Or, are you just Another Big Mouth Coward???
>>
>
> Uh, no.
>
>> I Guarentee you won't be able to Support Felons any more.

Steve responded....
> I don't support them now you old fuck. I arrest them for a living.
> Which is more then you do. You just bitch, bitch, bitch. Why don't you
> get your fat ass out of your outhouse and start filing complaints
> against these "felons"?
>
> Or, are you just Another Big Mouth Coward???

I REPLIED.....
Because your a friend of mine I'll allow you to go to the head of the line.
(calling your Bluff)

OR, Are you limited to attacking women/kids?

Oh, you arrest them for a Living?

You must be one of those few Crooked (dirty) Law Enforcement people
Serpico had to Worry About.

You must be one of those few Filthy Law Enforcement people in Book IV
of the Church Report.

You must be one of those few Crooked (dirty) Law Enforcement people who has
Lowered the Belief/Respect in Law Enforcement which they once Earned.

You're a Scuzzball who gives Law Enforcement a Bad Name.
You're one of the few Dirty Cop who other cops Wives/Kids Despise.
Because YOU put thier Husband/Daddy's lives in Jeopardy.

You're the Scuzzball who Advocates Nazi justice.
You're the Scuzzball who Advocates Communist Justice.

Maybe it's time for a spot for you in my website.

Rather than allow you to give Law Enforcement a Bad Name.

THIS is why the Belief/Respect for Law Enforcement has Diminished over the past 40 years folks.

NAZI GRAMMER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM&feature=topvideos

COPY AND PASTE THAT LINK INTO YOUR BROWSER.

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