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Yo(Momma)Harvey, baileynme, spiffy or, Whatever Alias the Criminal                                                                                                                                                                       goes by on a given day decided NOT to address evidence/testimony.

 he/she decided to trade insults instead.  I RETALIATE!

Yo(Momma)Harvey's Latest Embarrassment>>>

 
"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4cefc6b4-d0e4-421f-9a87-4a6e9af6f24d@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, YoHarvey <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2:00 pm, Gil Jesus <
gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 15, 12:55�pm, "tomnln" <
tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > Twenty-Four (24) pages of Ruby's mother's dental charts
> > > Volume XXII pages 386-410
>
> > > Maybe that's why they didn't have room in the 26 volumes to publish that
> > > Ruby was an Informant for Richard Nixon in 1947 on the HUAC.
>
> > Or why they didn't have room to interview Admiral Burkley, the only
> > man who saw the body at both Bethesda and Parkland. They apparently
> > wqere more interested in Mrs. Ruby's teeth than Kennedy's personal
> > physician.
>
> > Of Course, that point was lost on YoBrainless. Went right over his
> > head.
>
> Over my head???? roflmao. You're to fucking stupid to even think you
> could get anything past me. I've made you look like the idiot you are
> so many times on here even the CT's laugh at you at this point. The
> mere fact you don't recognize this simply reinforces how totally
> ignorant you are. Questions?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe that's why they didn't have room in the 26 volumes to publish
that
Ruby was an Informant for Richard Nixon in 1947 on the HUAC.
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Yo(Momma)Harvey wrote;
Sure Rossley, just like you COULD NOT PROVE your statement that Rather
saw Oswald and Ruby together at the Carousel club.  Shall I embarrass
you once again?  Stupid, old and ignorant.  Your family must be proud
lol.
 
 
 
I write;
 
Read it & Weep KOOK-SUCKER>>>
 
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Yo(Momma)Harvey's Latest LIE! ! !

(March 13, 2008)

 
"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc9b8b-e8a6-4b18-844d-eac75d2d8137@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 13, 5:22 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> In case McAdams don't post this one.
>
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:YrydnQJwUu2QpEjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > tomnln wrote:
> >> BOTTOM POST;
>
> >> "jas" <lle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:87d1cb99-dce5-4898-802b-5ffbcd017818@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Mar 8, 4:13 pm, Peter Fokes<jp...@toronto.hm> wrote:
> >>> On 8 Mar 2008 16:00:07 -0500, bill_hi...@excite.com wrote:
>
> >>> >On Mar 8, 1:31 pm, Peter Fokes<jp...@toronto.hm> wrote:
> >>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xU7Lhd7Wwo
>
> >>> >> Stop video at 0.39 seconds to see clear shot of Oswald's head turned
> >>> >> to the left and toward the side his assassin is about to pounce ....
>
> >>> >He was turning his head toward Ike Pappas, a reporter who was
> >>> >literally shouting at him, "Do you have anything to say in your
> >>> >defense?". That's all there was too it. Nothing more.
>
> >>> Did Oswald shout back ... "Oh Hello IKE PAPPAS. I am specifically
> >>> LOOKING AT YOU and YOU ALONE and I don't SEE ANYBODY ELSE"????
>
> >>> >He was NOT looking toward Ruby, whom he didn't know in any case.
>
> >>> I acknowledge your opinion.
>
> >>> So you agree me.
>
> >>> Did you view the video and SEE Oswald turning his eyes and head toward
> >>> Ruby's side of the basement?
>
> >>> Apparently so ... although you said so in other words!
>
> >>> PF
>
> >>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> By replying to this I know I'm running the risk of possibly being
> >> "censored" by one of the moderators of this group, but I don't care. If
> >> so, so be it.
>
> >> Peter, what's your point? Yes, I see Oswald looking towards Ruby just
> >> before he's shot. So, what does this have to do with the price of tea in
> >> China? He looks to be reacting the way any person in the same position
> >> would do to someone jumping out at him from a crowd. Especially someone
> >> on major public display and charged with the murder of the president of
> >> the U.S.
>
> >> If you're implying that this glance by Oswald is some sort of proof that
> >> he knew Ruby prior, and I think you are, it's much to do about nothing.
>
> > Some people make up the idea that the way Oswald looked at Ruby was
> > indicating that he knew him. I see no indication of that type of
> > recognition like, "Et tu, Brute?"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> According to the Warren Commission, Dan Rather of CBS News "Saw"
> >> Ruby/Oswald together in the carousel Club the night before the
> >> Assassination.
>
> > Yeah, sure. I don't think so.
>
> Then, you're not very familiar with the 26 volumes Marsh.
>
> I REPEAT;
>
> According to the Warren Commission, Dan Rather of CBS News "Saw"
> Ruby/Oswald together in the carousel Club the night before the
> Assassination.
>
> Is this Marsh's Denial that this is in the 26 volumes???
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According to the Warren Commission, Dan Rather of CBS News "Saw"
> Ruby/Oswald together in the carousel Club the night before the
> Assassination.

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Yo(Momma)Harvey wrote;

An absolute and blatant lie.....but of course, it's Rossley!!  Anybody
surprised?  He's a member of the Chico Jesus/Robcap, Healy club!
PATHOLOGICAL MISFITS...ALL!


Warrem Commission Volume XXVI, CE 2983 is the interview with Rather.
Read it yourselves and see how Rossley LIES to you.  Just like Chico
Jesus/Robcap, just like Healy and Holmes.  Liars all.  Typical
kooks!!!
 
 
 
I Just LOVE Proving this Asshole to be the liar that he IS>>>  
SEE>>>   http://whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm
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I got Under his Scales>>>


"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:355f057e-5b2a-464e-8cb5-9a0a42ffb798@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> http://rossleysignorance.wetpaint.com/

Looks like I REALLY got Under (YoMomma)Harvey's Scales.

Hahahahaha

Wouldn't you know it?
He STILL makes NO Mention of ANY evidence/testimony.
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

Wouldn't you know it?
He STILL makes NO Mention of RETALIATION.

HAHAHAHAHA

RUN you Commie Bastard RUN>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

CRY you whimp ass Coward CRY

 

When I went to that site from my Live audio Chat Room on Paltalk, here's what I got.

Is Yo(Momma)Harvey attempting to pass a Virus to everyone?

Does Yo(Momma)Harvey aslso spread the AIDS Virus?

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Yo(Momma)Harvey must be a Sinatra FAN>>>>>

"I've Got You Under My Skin".



SKANKY'S LATEST>>>

Yo(Momma)Harvey wrote below>>>
 
"HE SITS BEHIND HIM COMPUTER"?
"HE SITS BEHIND HIM COMPUTER"?
"HE SITS BEHIND HIM COMPUTER"?
"HE SITS BEHIND HIM COMPUTER"?
 
No wonder you never address evidence/testimony.
 
She's Ashamed of her 2nd grade Edgumakashun.
 
 
SEE Yo(Momma)Harvey RAW>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm
 
ALL in her own words.
 
SEE Yo(Momma)Harvey RUN  RUN  RUN>>>
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/danrather.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
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http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/orders_of_silence.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altering_evidence.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/gil_jesus_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
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http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
 
Looks like his AIDS Problem has ESCALATED.


 

 
 
 
 
"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9202ee14-808d-409c-b860-1603a37821c8@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 10:31 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 4:55 pm, cdddraftsman <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://tomrossley.home.comcast.net/
>> > Where he posts 178 Derelict Video's That Lead
>> >      You Down The Conspiracy Toilet .....!
>>
>> You can't spell derelict without CT.

 

Nobody can spell FELON without LN

> I'll take this as you don't know the WC report and its 26 volumes,
> because I have not seen you cite it at all.  Futhermore, just because
> you cited it before doesn't preclude you from continuing to cite it
> now. Good try, but it is clear to all you don't even know what you
> are
> talking about.
>
> The above was written by ChicoJesus/Robcap/Curiousgeorge.  Let it be
> know, I have challenged this individual 9 different times in front of
> the members of this NG to DEBATE ME LIVE, for all to see on the
> assassination.  If he chooses to debate the WC, let's do it!!!
> Unfortunately, not only does Jesus/robcap/curiousgeorge not respond to
> his challenge, he runs and hides!!!  He disappears.  What does that
> tell the intelligent members of this newsgroup?  Firstly, it shows he
> has NO confidence in what he believes or can PROVE.  Secondly, it
> shows him to be the coward I've called him.  Thirdly, he can't justify
> ANY of the ludicrous and absolutely ignorant theories he subscribes to
> e.g. Connaly shot JFK.  He sits behind him computer in his 675 square
> foot "mansion" typing away THINKING he's protected from society as he
> sells used car parts littered in his yard.  He'll find out very
> shortly, he's not protected at all.  In reality, society needs
> protection from demented, societal misfits like Jesus.  The war has
> begun!  It will only end in victory.  Stay tuned.

 

 

 

Here's a Beauty>>> his/her remarks are at the bottom in Green.

My Retaliation is on top in Red.

She LIED to you;
Must be a Family Trait.

She LOVED MINE.

She even Paid me More than I usually get Paid.
ps; you're outta scotch

pss;
Don't blame your wife, It's all my fault.
I answered her add in the N Y Times.


Wanna address these?>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm




"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187659531.123823.19160@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 20, 9:12 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Busy;
>> Your wife is "Eating her out" right now.

>>
>> "YoHarvey" <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187656690.385765.22930@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 20, 8:33 pm, cdddraftsman <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 20, 2:15 pm, me@NO HOMOS.com (Justin) wrote:
>>
>> >> > Lesbianism is a crime against nature. There are no lesbians in
>> >> > heaven.
>> >> > Stop licking your eyebrows and think about it.
>>
>> >> Found out your home address Justin .
>> >> Shall we come by and make a house call ?
>>
>> > Hey Rossley?  Speaking about cunts, how's your
>> > daughter?
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Doubt that.  My wife doesn't like dark meat.
>



 

 

On July 28, 2007 at 10:38 a.m. spiffy wrote

Gil Jesus over the past several weeks has used the Bible and God
as his defense for his positions.  Through the use of the Bible,
Gil has spewed his homophobic theories and righteous indignations
at any individual Jesus believes not to think and behave as he does.

A fair question.  Since it has been established that one Gil Jesus
will lie about all that he posts, is it fair for us to believe that
the very God that Jesus seeks to emulate also is a liar?


On July 26, 2007 at 9:29 p.m. spiffy wrote>>>

"Rather than comment on the venom he and Jesus spews,
what does this 70 year old excuse for a MAN do, he
reverts right back to his old ways.  People, we can
only hold out hope that this ignorant SOB never
bred.  If so, we need to find these kids and wipe
em off the face of the earth.  This hatred he
spews has to end someplace."

BEWARE


 

 

 

 

THIS IS A KEEPER

Another LN'r who Rejects GOD's word  (see reply at the end of this post)

Yo(Momma)Harvey's Support of Homosexuality will go on the (HIS) "BAILEYNME"
page of my website.
ALONG with Bible Book, Chapter & Verses of that Bible.

It seems like Homosexuality is more prevelant than we thought.



"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185148250.340641.178850@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible
> Overview
> How does the Bible address homosexuality - the word didn't even exist
> until 1869? The word first appeared in Germany to describe the theory
> that from birth some people are predisposed toward persons of the same
> sex. Since the biblical languages (Hebrew and Greek) had no words for
> heterosexual or homosexual, it is anachronistic and misleading when
> homosexual is used to translate a biblical text. It is wrong to
> proclaim the biblical view of homosexuality since there is none. This
> violates the integrity of the individual texts and the biblical
> witness as a whole. Each reference to what is today homosexuality must
> be read in the light of the particular literary, cultural, and
> historic contexts of any particular passage.
>
> If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in
> the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on
> God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love,
> Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages
> of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in
> Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred
> demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even
> basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific
> homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a
> homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more
> clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."
>
> Detailed Biblical Study Of Homosexuality
> Traditional Church teaching falsely misuses the Bible to judge the
> homosexual lifestyle. True Biblical theology begins not with Church
> tradition and dogma but with the biblical texts themselves. Biblical
> theology seeks to understand how the biblical authors expressed
> themselves in the Koine Greek of the time (not expanded by later
> modern greek meanings), in terms of their culture. Only with this
> understanding is it legitimate to define biblical sexual ethics of the
> NT and find implications for today.
>
> There is little said in the bible about homosexuality because it was
> no big deal! It occupied a prominent and respected position in most
> Greek and Roman cities at all levels of society and among a
> substantial part of the population. There are only 4 scriptures that
> are taken to say anything about homosexuality; the Leviticus laws, I
> Cor 6:9, Romans 1:26-27, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah - and
> none address loving, consenting homosexual acts as we know them
> today.
>
> There are over 600 individual "laws" in the Levitical code, the
> breaking of anyone of which would make the sinner unclean and
> unacceptable to God. It is an abomination to eat pork, etc. The law is
> no longer in effect and its purpose was to show that man could never
> follow it. The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, likewise have nothing to do
> with homosexuality.
>
> I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word
> often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means
> "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal
> deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public
> prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as
> surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is
> what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted
> mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This
> rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an
> accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago
> worshipping pagan sex gods.
>
> Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are
> clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal
> culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males
> as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very
> different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages
> have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT
> times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I
> Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators.
> They are not in the original Greek texts.

REPLY TO The Satan Worshipper follows

Genesis:  Chapter 1 28 God blessed them, saying:  be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth”

 

Genesis:  Chapter 19 Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.  1 The two angels reached Sodom in the evening, as Lot was sitting at the gate of Sodom.  When Lot saw them, he got up to greet them; and bowing down with his face to the ground, 2 he said, “Please, gentlemen, come aside into your servant’s house for the night, and bathe your feet; you can get up early to continue your journey.” But they replied, “no, we shall pass the night in the town square.” 3 He urged them so strongly, however, that they turned aside to his place and entered his house.  He prepared a meal for them, baking cakes without leaven and they dined.  4 “Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old all the people to the last man—closed in on the house. 5 They called to Lot and said to him. “Where are the men who came to your house tonight?  Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them.” 6 Lot went out to meet them at the entrance.  When he had shut the door behind him, 7 he said, “I beg you, my brothers, not to do this wicked thing.  * I have two daughters who have never had intercourse with men. Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you please. ‘But don’t do anything to these men, for you know they have come under the shelter of my roof.” 9 They replied, Stand back! This fellow,” they sneered, “come here as an immigrant, and now he dares to give orders! We’ll treat you worse than them! ”With that, they pressed hard against Lot, moving in closer to break down the door. 10 But his guests put out their hands, pulled Lot inside with them, and closed the door; 11 at the same time they struck the men at the entrance of the house, one and all, with such a blinding light * that they were utterly unable to reach the doorway. 12 Then the angels said to Lot:  “Who else belongs to you here?  Your sons [sons-in-law] and your daughters and all who belong to you in the city—take them away from it! 13 We are about to destroy this place, for the outcry reaching the Lord against those in the city is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who had contracted marriage with his daughters. ”Get up and leave this place, “ he told them; ”the Lord is about to destroy the city.”  But his sons-in-law thought he was joking. 15 As dawn was breaking, the angels urged Lot on saying. “On your way! Take with you your wife and your two daughters who are here or you will be swept away in the punishment of the city.” 16 When he hesitated, the men, by the Lord’s mercy, seized his hand and the hands of his wife and his two daughters and led them to safety outside the city. 17 As soon as they had been brought outside, he was told:  “flee for your life”!  Don’t look back or stop anywhere on the Plain. Get off to the hills at once, or you will be swept away.” 18 “Oh, no, my lord!” replied Lot. 19 “you have already thought enough of your servant to do me the great kindness of intervening to save my life.  But I cannot flee to the hills to keep the disaster from overtaking me, and so I shall die.  20 Look, this town ahead is near enough to. Isn’t it?—that my life may be saved.” 21 “Well, then,” he replied,  “I will also grant you the favor you now ask.  I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 Hurry, escape there! I cannot do anything until you arrive there.” That is why the town is called Zoar. 23 The sun was just rising over the earth as Lot arrived in Zoar: 24 at the same time the Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah [from the Lord out to heaven]. 25 He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil. 26 But lot’s wife looked back, and she was turned into a pillar of sale.  27 Early the next morning Abraham went to the place where he had stood in the Lord’s presence. 28 As he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah and the whole region of the Plain, he saw dense smoke over the land rising like fumes from a furnace. 29 Thus it came to pass: when God destroyed the Cities of the Plain, he was mindful of Abraham by sending Lot away from the upheaval by which God overthrew the cities where Lot had been living.

 

Leviaticus chapter 18   The Sanctity of Sex. 1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “speak to the Israelites and tell them: I, the Lord, am your God. 3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you once lived, nor shall you do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you: do not conform to their customs. 4 My decrees you shall carry out, and my statutes you shall take care to follow. I, the Lord, am your God, 5 keep, then, my statues and decrees, for the man who carries them out will find life through them. I am the Lord, 6 *None of you shall approach a close relative to have sexual intercourse with her.  I am the Lord.  7 You shall not disgrace you father by having intercourse with your mother. Besides, since she is your own mother, you shall not have intercourse with her. 8 You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, “ for that would be a disgrace to your father. 9 You shall not have intercourse with you sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere. 10 You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter, for that would be a disgrace to your own family.  11 You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him since she, too, is you sister.  12 You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister, since she is your father’s relative.  13 you shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.  14 You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by being intimate with his wife, since she, too, is your aunt.  15 You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law: she is your son’s wife, and therefore you shall not disgrace her.  16 You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife, * for that would be a disgrace to your brother.  17 You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, this would be shameful, because they are related to her.  18 While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival: for thus you would disgrace your first wife.  19  “You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is unclean from menstruation.  20 You shall not have carnal relations with your neighbor’s wife, defiling yourself with her.  21 You shall not offer any of your offspring to be immolated to Molech* thus profaning the name of your God.  I am the Lord.  22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman: such a thing is an abomination. 23 You shall not have carnal relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; such things are abhorrent, 24 “Do not defile yourselves by any of these things by which the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves. 25 Because their land has become defiled, I am punishing it for its wickedness, by making it vomit out its inhabitants. 26 You, however whether natives or resident aliens, must keep my statutes and decrees forbidding all such abominations 27 by which the previous inhabitants defiled the land; 28 otherwise the land will vomit you out also for having defiled it, just as it vomited out the nations before you. 29 Everyone who does any of these abominations shall be cut off from among his people. 30 Heed my charge, the abominable customs that have been observed before you. I, the Lord, am your God.”

 

Leviticus:  chapter 19 Various Rules of Conduct.    31 “Do not go to mediums or consult fortune-tellers, for you will be defiled by them. I, the Lord, am your God

 

Leviticus:  chapter 20 Penalties for Various Sins.    13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.

 

Deuteronomy:  chapter 7 Destruction of Pagans.   25 The images of their gods you shall destroy by; fire. Do not covet the silver or gold on them, nor take it for yourselves, lest you be ensnared by it; for it is an abomination to the Lord, your God. 26 You shall not bring any abominable thing into your house, lest you be doomed with it; loathe and abhor it utterly as a thing that is doomed.

 

Deuteronomy:  chapter 13 Penalties for Idolatry. 1 “/every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it. 2 “If there arises among; you a prophet or a dreamer who promises you a sign or wonder, 3 urging you to follow other gods, whom you have not known and to serve them:  even though the sign or wonder he has foretold you comes to pass, 4 pay no attention to the words of that prophet or that dreamer; for the Lord, your God, is testing you to learn whether you really love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 5 The Lord, your God, shall you follow, and him shall you fear; his commandment shall you observe, and his voice shall you heed, serving him and holding fast to him alone. 6 But that prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, because in order to lead you astray from the way which the Lord, your God, has directed you to take, he has preached apostasy from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Eqypt and ransomed you from that place of slavery.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. 7 “If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, 8 gods of any other nation near at hand or far away from one end of the earth to the other: 9 do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, 10 but kill  him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. 11 You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. 12 and all Israel, hearing of it, shall fear and never again do such evil as this is in your midst.  13 “If, in any of the cities which the Lord, your God, gives you to dwell in, you hear it said 14 that certain scoundrels have sprung up among you and have led astray the inhabitants of their city to serve other gods whom you have not known 15 you must inquire carefully into the matter and investigate it thoroughly.  If you find that it is true and an established fact that this abomination has been committed in your midst. 16 you shall put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, dooming the city and all life that is in it, even its cattle, to the sword. 17 Having heaped up all its spoils in the middle of its square, you shall burn the city with all its spoils as a whole burnt offering to the Lord, your God.  Let it be a heap of ruins forever, never to be rebuilt. 18 You shall not retain anything that is doomed, that the blazing wrath of the Lord may die down and he may show you mercy and in his mercy for you may multiply you as he promised your fathers on oath: 19 because you have heeded the voice of the Lord, your God, keeping all his commandments which I enjoin on you today, doing what is right in his sight.

 

Deuteronomy:  chapter 21 the incorrigible son.  18 “If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to his father or mother, and will not obey them even thought they chastise him, 19 his father and mother shall have him apprehended and brought out to the Elders at the gate of his home city. 20 where they shall say to those city elders, This son of ours is a stubborn and unruly fellow who will not listen to us:

He is a glutton and a drunkard. 21. then all of his fellow citizens shall stone him to death.

Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel, on hearing of it, shall fear.

 

Sirach:  chapter 11 care in choosing friends

29 bring not every man into your house for Many are the snares of the crafty one:

30 Though he seem like a bird confined in a cage, yet like a spy he will pick out the weak spots

31 The talebearer turns good into evil:  with a spark he sets many coals afire.

32 The evil man lies in wait for blood, and plots against our choicest possessions.

33 Avoid a wicked man, for he breed’s only evil, lest you incur a lasting strain.

34 Lodge a stranger with you, and he will subvert your course, and make a stranger of you to your own household.

 

Sirach:  chapter 15 Mans free will

11 Say not: ”It was god’s doing that I fell away”, for what he hates he does not do.

12 Say not: “It was he who set me astray”; for he has no need of wicked man.

13 Abominable wickedness the Lord hates, he does not let it befall those who fear him.

14 When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice.

15 If you choose you can keep the commandments; it is loyalty to do his will.

16 There are set before you fire and water; to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand.

17 Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.

18 Immense is the wisdom of the Lord; he is mighty in power, and all-seeing.

19 The eyes of God see all he has made; he understands man’s every deed.

20 No man does he command to sin, to none does he give strength for lies.

 

Matthew Chapter 10 1 then he summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority to expel un-clean spirits and to cure sickness and disease of every king.  2 The names of the twelve apostles are these:  first Simon now known as Peter and his brother Andrew; James, Zebedee’s son, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James, son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot Pay member, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him 5 Jesus sent these men on mission as the Twelve, after giving them the following instructions: “Do not visit pagan territory and do not enter a Samaritan town. 6 Go instead after the lost sheep of the house of Israel 7 As you go, make this announcement: “The reign of God is at hand! 8 Cure the sick, raise the dead, heal the leprous, expel demons. The gift you have received, give as a gift. 9 Provide yourselves with neither gold nor silver nor copper in your belts; 10 no traveling bag, no change of shirt, no sandals, no walking staff.  The workman, after all, is worth his keep 11 “look for a worthy person in every town or village you come to and stay with him until you leave.12 As you enter his home bless it. 13 If the home is deserving, your blessing will descend on it.  If it is not, your blessing will return to you.14 If anyone does not receive you or listen to what you have to say, leave that house or town, and once outside it shake its dust from your feet 15 I assure you, it will go easier for the region of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than it will for that town.16  “what I am doing is sending you out like sheep among wolves. You must be clever as snakes and innocent as doves.  17 Be on your guard with respect to others.  They will hale you into court, they will flog you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought to trial before rulers and kings, to give witness before them and before the Gentiles on my account.  19 When the hand you over, do not worry about what you will say or how you will say it.  When the hour comes, you will be given what you are to say. 20 You yourselves will not be the speakers: the Spirit of your Father will be speaking in you. 21 “Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child: children will turn against parents and have them put to death. 22 you will be hated by all on account of me. But whoever holds out till the end will escape death. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. I solemnly assure you, you will not have covered the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 “ No pupil outranks his teacher, no slave his master. 25 The pupil should be glad to become like his teacher, the slave like his master. If the all the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! 26 Do not let them intimidate you.  Nothing is concealed that will not become known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, speak in the light.  What you hear in private, proclaim from the housetops.28 “do not fear those who deprive the body of life but cannot destroy the soul, Rater, fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for nest to nothing?  Yet not a single sparrow falls to the ground without your Father’s consent. 30 As for you, every hair of you head has been counted; 31 so do not be afraid of anything. You are worth ore than an entire flock of sparrows. 32 Whoever acknowledges me before men I will acknowledge before my father in heaven. 33 Whoever disowns me before men I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 “Do not suppose that my mission on earth is to spread peace.  My mission is to spread, not peace, but division. 35 I have come to set a man at odds with his father, a daughter with her mother, a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law. 36 in short, to make a man’s enemies those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother, son or daughter, more than me is not worthy of me.  38 He who will not take up his cross and come after me is not worthy of me. 39 He who seeks only himself brings himself to ruin, whereas he who brings himself to nought for me discovers who he is. 40 “He who welcomes you welcomes me, and he who welcomes me welcomes him who sent me. 41 He who welcomes a prophet because he bears the name of prophet receives a prophet’s reward; he who welcomes a holy man because he is known to be holy receives a holy man’s reward. 42 And I promise you that whoever gives a cup of cold water to one of these lowly ones    because he is a disciple will not want for his reward.”

 

Romans:  Chapter 1 Punishment of Idolatry 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against the irreligious and perverse spirit of men who, in this perversity of there is, hinder the truth. 19 In fact, whatever can be known about God is clear to them; he himself made it so. 20 Since the creation of t he world, invisible realities, God’s eternal power and divinity, have become visible, recognized through the things he has made.  Therefore these men are inexcusable. 21 They claimed to be wise, but turned into fools instead; 23 they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images representing mortal man, birds, beasts, and snakes. 24 In consequence, God delivered them up in their lusts to unclean practices; they engaged in the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 these men who exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator—blessed be he forever, amen! 26 God therefore delivered them up to disgraceful passions.  Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and the men gave up natural intercourse with women and burned with lust for on another. Men did shameful things with men, and thus received in their own persons the penalty for their perversity. 28 They did not see fit to acknowledge God, so God delivered them up to their own depraved sense to do what is unseemly, 29 They are filled with every kind of wickedness: maliciousness, greed, ill will, envy, murder, bickering, deceit, craftiness.  They are gossips 30 and slanderers, they hate God, are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wrongdoing and rebellious toward their parents. 31 One sees in them men without conscience, without loyalty, without affection, without pity, 32 They know God’s just decree that all who do such things deserve death; yet they not only do them but approve them in others.

 

Romans:  Chapter 2  God’s Just Judgment. 1 That is why every one of you who judges another is in excusable.  By your judgment you convict yourself, since you do the very same things. 2 “We know that God’s judgment on men who do such things is just.” 3 Do you suppose, then, that you will escape his judgment, you who condemn these things in others yet do them yourself? 4 Or do you presume on his kindness and forbearance:  Do you not know that God’s kindness is an invitation to you to repent? 5 In spite of this, our hard and impenitent heart is storing up retribution for that day of wrath when the just judgment of God will be revealed. 6 when he will repay every man for what he has done: 7 eternal life to those who strive for glory, honor, and immortality by patiently doing right; 8 wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and anguish will come upon every man who has done evil, the Jew first, then the Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who has done good, likewise the Jew first, then the Greek. 11 With God there is no favoritism.

 

Romans:  Chapter 6..Death to sin, Life in God.  1 What, then, are we to say? “Let us continues in sin that grace may abound?” 2 Certainly no!  How can we who died to sin goon living in it? 3 Are you not aware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death: 4 Through baptism into his death we were buried with him, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him through likeness to his death, so shall we be through a like resurrection. 6 This we know: our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed and we might be slaves to sin no longer. 7 A man who is dead has been freed from sin. 8 If we have died with Christ, we believe that we are also to live with him. 9 We know that Christ, once raised from the dead, will never die again: death has no more power over him.  10 His death was death to sin, once for all; his life is life for God. 11 In the same way, you must consider yourselves dead to sin but alive for God in Christ Jesus 12 Do not, therefore, let sin rule your mortal body and make you obey its lusts; 13 no more shall you offer the members of you body to sin as weapons for evil.  Rather, offer yourselves to God as men who have come back from the dead to life, and your bodies to God as weapons for justice. 14 Sin will no longer have power over you; you are now under grace, not under the law. 15 What does all this lead to?  Just because we are not under the law but under grace, are we free to sin? By no means! 16 You must realize that, when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are the slaves of the one you obey, whether yours is the slavery of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to justice. 17 Thanks be to God, though once you were slaves of sin, you sincerely obeyed that rule of teaching, which was imparted to you; 18 freed from your sin, you became slaves of justice. 19 (I use the following example from human affairs because of your weak human nature.)  Just as formerly you enslaved your bodies to impurity and licentiousness for their degradation, make them now the servants of justice for their sanctification. 20 When you were slaves of sin, you had freedom from justice. 21 What benefit did you then enjoy?  Things you are now ashamed of, all of them tending toward death. 22 But now that you are freed from sin and have become slaves of God, your benefit is sanctification as you tend toward eternal life. 23 The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

1 Corinthians:  Chapter 5  9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral persons. 10 I was not speaking of association with immoral people in this world, or the covetous or thieves or idolators.  To avoid them, you would have to leave the world! 11 What I really wrote about was your not associating with anyone who bears the title “brother” if he is immoral, covetous, an idolator, an abusive person, a drunkard, or a thief.  It is clear that you must not eat with such a man. 12 What business is it of mine to judge outsiders?  Is it not those inside the community you must judge? 13 God will judge the others. “expel the wicked man from your midst.”

 

Galatians:  Chapter 5  Proper use of Freedom 13 My brothers, remember that you have been called to live in freedom—but not a freedom that gives free rein to the flesh.  Out of love, place yourselves at one another’s service. 14 The whole law has found its fulfillment in the one saying: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you go on biting and tearing one another to pieces, take care! You will end up in mutual destruction! 16 My point is that you should live in accord with the spirit and you will not flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit pose.  This is why you do not do what your will intends. 18 If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law. 19 It is obvious what proceeds from the flesh: lewd conduct, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, bickering, jealousy, outbursts of rage, selfish rivalries, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I have warned you before those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God!  22 In contrast, the fruit of the spirit is life, joy, peace, patient endurance, kindness generosity, faith, 23 mildness and chastity.  Against such there is no law! 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. 25 since we live by the spirit, let us follow the spirit’s lead. 26 Let us never be boastful, or challenging, or jealous toward one another.

 

James:  Chapter 1  Temptation 12 Happy the man who holds out to the end through trial!  Once he has been proved, he will receive the crown of life the Lord has promised to those who love him. 13 No one who is tempted is free to say, “I am being tempted by God.”  Surely God, who is beyond the grasp of evil, tempts on one.  14 Rather the tug and lure of his own passion tempt every man. 15 Once passion has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin reaches maturity if begets death.

AND, THERE'S MORE.


 

 

SEE spiffy's latest

Awwwwwwwwwwww

spiffy Busted AGAIN.


<Jmoore1910@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1185074421.846988.155720@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 11:10 pm, YoHarvey <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the mid 1950's Lee Oswald spoke about killing an American
>> President.
>> Palmer MacBride testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended Oswald and
>> they often
>> discussed politics.  MacBride said that one central theme discussed
>> was the
>> "exploitation of the working class" and one one occassion after they
>> began
>> discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement that he would
>> like to kill the President because he was exploiting the working class.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Marine records clearly show that when McBride claimed to have
> worked with Oswald, from October, 1957 (not 1956) thru May, 1958 at
> the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in New Orleans, Oswald was in Japan.
>
> http://www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html
>
> maybe you should do some more research.


ANOTHER>>>

No matter WHO it is spiffy;

 you got Caught in ANOTHER LIE.

 No wonder you NEVER address my posts on evidence/testimony.

 Show how you TWIST this one>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm

 I'm goin EASY on ya 'cause I know you can't address Multiples.




> "YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1185074602.228295.76050@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 11:20 pm, Jmoore1...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 11:10 pm, YoHarvey <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > In the mid 1950's Lee Oswald spoke about killing an American
>> > President.
>> > Palmer MacBride testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended Oswald and
>> > they often
>> > discussed politics.  MacBride said that one central theme discussed
>> > was the
>> > "exploitation of the working class" and one one occassion after they
>> > began
>> > discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement that he would
>> > like to kill the President because he was exploiting the working class.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­------------
>> The Marine records clearly show that when McBride claimed to have
>> worked with Oswald, from October, 1957 (not 1956) thru May, 1958 at
>> the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in New Orleans, Oswald was in Japan.
>>
>> http://www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html
>>
>> maybe you should do some more research.
>
> Don't have me killfiled anymore Jesus?  Thought
> I wouldn't know about your "alias"?
>



 

 

Gil Jesus was recently urinating in the river                                                                                                                                                                                    and, look what he Caught... (7/16/07)

LET'S LOOK AT THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS UPSTANDING CITIZEN:

1.It was YoHarvey, under the screenname either baileynme or spiffy who
claimed that the Oswald rifle had no scope when found. Baileynme-
spiffy wrote:

  "In addition, when the weapon was found, the scope was NOT on the
MC."

http://www.whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm

2. he/she tried to infiltrate JFKconspiracy under a different
screenname

3. he/she claimed that Operation White Star began in Cambodia in 1962,
when in fact it began in Laos in 1958 and ended with the Declaration
of Neutrality in 1962

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f1e7c24a013b01d0

at which time I corrected his/her lack of historical knowledge

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fc6cacfb427769c5

4. he/she posted a false "letter" and attributed the author as my
third grade teacher, who claimed to have me in her class three years
before I entered the third grade, proving himself/herself once again
as a liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4f6f846cc8f05f54

5. posted an article by Dave Reitzes

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100custody.html

as his own without giving Reitzes any credit

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/293de06a42d2729e

OH YEAH, A REAL PIECE OF WORK, THAT ONE IS. He/she's more than just
stupid, he/she's a liar, a sneak AND a thief.

Put both the bitch's screennames on killfilter. Yolarvae and justme.



BULLETIN      BULLETIN      BULLETIN

From Lying Coward Yo(Momma)Harvey Today (3/6/07)

THANK YOU for making a FOOL of yourself AGAIN

Thank You Stupid
Thank You Stupid
Thank You Faggot Stupid.

Warren Report page 541.

When discussing JFK's back/throat wounds the Warren Report States
"presumably of entrance......presumably od exit"


You are a TOTAL ASSHOLE.




"YoHarvey" <baileynme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173222906.430271.115070@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 6, 5:55 pm, "Walt" <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>> Often the Lner's claim the conspirators would have been crazy to plot
>> the murder of JFK and not planned everything down to the tiniest
>> detail.....  They use the argment that there could not have been a
>> conspiracy, because the conspirators would not have been so stupid to
>> have done this or that.
>> Of course any rational person knows that the LNer's argument is as
>> full of holes as a swiss cheese...   From the beginning of time man
>> has plotted murder, and most of the time the plot to kill another
>> person has been ill conceived and planned. The murderer is usually
>> caught pretty quickly, because of a flaw in the plot.   The conspiracy
>> to murder of John Kennedy was no different, in the respect that many
>> errors were made....However, the investigators found most of those
>> errors and cover them up.  Some times they covered up the major errors
>> in the plot with absolutely ridiculous theories like the single bullet
>> THEORY.   They got away with dumping the SBT on the American public by
>> treating the American people like mushrooms ( Keep em in the dark and
>> feed em bullshit)  The American public were easy to dupe because they
>> didn't know the facts about the murder and they didn't want to believe
>> that some cherished American institutions could possiby be involved in
>> the murder of the president. ( Many still will not believe the FBI or
>> the CIA could have had a hand in the murder)
>>
>> Some CT's have advocated theories that are improbable even by the
>> standard set by the actual conspirators. One theory that I reject is
>> the theory that the  Umbrella man fired a fletchette into JFK's
>> throat. The primary reason ( but not the only reason) that I reject
>> that theory is because it would have been a dead give away who was
>> behind the murder if the investigators discovered that JFK had been
>> killed by a weapon that only the CIA possessed.   Even if agents of
>> the CIA were behind the murder they would not have been so stupid to
>> risk using a very sophisticated weapon.
>> They would have elected to use weapons that could be easily purchased
>> anywhere. (Which is exactly what they did)   I'm convinced that they
>> decided to use a 6.5mm weapon because there were thousands of surplus
>> 6.5mm rifles  ( not necessarily Mannlicher Carcanos) available.
>> It was fortunate that Oswald was photographed holding a 6.5mm Carcano,
>> because the Mannlicher Carcano rifle ( not necessarily "THE" rifle in
>> LHO's hands)  would have been an excellent choice for an assination
>> weapon.
>>
>> The Mannlicher Carcano was produced in many different models from 1891
>> until the mid 1950's (which is an indication of it's reliabilty)  The
>> different models ranged in length from short little 36 inch carbines
>> to 50 3/4 inch rifles.  All models used the same basic firing
>> mechanism, receivers, bolts, ammo clips, and 6.5mm ammunition.  Some
>> of the little 36 inch carbine models are easily converted to
>> assassination weapons. ie; Weapons that can be quickly and easily
>> disassembled and concealed.
>>
>> The conspirators knew that a photo existed of Oswald holding a 6.5mm
>> Carcano so that was the caliber they decided to use.   Even though I
>> believe the conspirators were not the sharpest knives in the drawer I
>> believe they were smart enough to make sure that all of the weapons
>> firing at JFK would be capable of firing 6.5mm carcano BULLETS ( not
>> necessarily Carcano cartridges) They would have wanted to employ only
>> weapons with a 6.5mm bore, because in the event of a missfire or short
>> round from a rifle other than a 6.5 would have dumped the fat in the
>> fire, and they could not have blamed the murder on Oswald alone.
>>
>> Ed Hoofman, the deaf mute man who said he saw a man behind the pickett
>> fence, toss a rifle to a conferderate who was dressed like a railroad
>> worker who disassembled the rifle and put it in a tool box.  The rifle
>> that Hoffman saw could have been a Mannlicher Carcano 36 inch carbine
>> that had been modified for instant disassembly.   That rifle would
>> have been capable of firing the special 6.5 mm exploding bullets or
>> the 6.5mm frangible bullets.  The large hole in JFK's head was
>> probably the result of an exploding bullet.
>>
>> Walt
>
> The large hole in JFK's head was
> probably the result of an exploding bullet.
>
> It is only fitting that the last sentence in
> Walt's post contains the word PROBABLY.
> It's very appropriate.  Over 43 years
> that one word, "probably" defines
> every single conspiracy theory on
> earth regarding the assassination.
> LN's never use the word probably!
> We don't have to.  We don't have
> to say it was PROBABLY a
> Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.  We
> don't have to say LHO PROBABLY
> brought the rifle to the TSBD on
> 11/22.  We don't have to say
> LHO PROBABLY purchased
> the rifle through mail order.
> We don't have to say LHO
> PROBABLY lied to DPD on
> 11/22.  We don't have to say
> LHO PROBABLY killed
> Tippit.  We don't have to say
> LHO PROBABLY shot at
> General Walker.  Quite simply
> PROBABLY doesn't exist in
> the lexicon of LN language.
> LN'ers have the physical
> evidence on their side.
> Probably as Walt has shown
> us BELONGS to the conpiracy
> theorists.  It has for 43 years.




Here's another one from paul may NOT....

(Must have been a week-end sale on Meth)

My reply to paul may NOT

You should have thought of that BEFORE you started the name-calling Asshole.

I'm better than you when it comes to evidence/testimony.
I'm better than you when it comes to name-calling.

When it comes to who will BURY who, you were Smart enough to Chicken out
there TOO.

Keep up with my website.......NOW, Everyone knows what an Asshole Coward you
are.

Don't be pissed at me, I'm not the one who cut out your Ovaries.



----- Original Message -----
  From: Paul May
  To: tomnln
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:28 PM
  Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?


  Simple question:  At anytime, are you capable of writing without sounding
like an idiot??  Is this a remote possiblity?  Can you NOT use 12 year old
language?  Can you write like an adult?  When you can, I will answer your
questions.  I simply don't like speaking with IDIOTS, EMBICILES or MORONS.
You qualify on all three counts.  AND YOU KNOW IT.

 

 

 

 

FRIDAY NITE DRUG NITE I GUESS.

Just smart enough to Stump you with with questions about Evidence/Testimony.
 
You are living proof that there is indeed Life After Abortion.
 
I suppose this means there will by No Where/When Coward.
 
Just ANOTHER one of your LIES.  (Gutless Wuss)
 
ps;
Your language is a tribute to the teachings of your parents. (doubting that you even knew them)
 
Your contradiction in verbal terms indicates that you get Brave ONLY when on Drugs.
 
Check this out>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

Guts?  You really were brought up in a trailer park weren't you? 

(I didn't even mention his ovaries) I remember your type of kid when I was younger.  No education, foul mouth, always in trouble.  Now,  you're an old man with NO life and you attempt to revert back to your youth.  You're a joke.  I've seen your type so many times.  No ability to THINK.  Totally irrational.  Kicking  your ass would only embarrass  your pathetic family.  Tell me something, how do you justfify (justifify?) your existence?  Living on social security I imagine.  Playing on a computer all day.  Incapable of reading anything that may improve your feeble mind.  Yep, you're quite a guy.  Have you any ability to "look within yourself" and admit what a loser you've been all your life?  Or does trying to play "big man on forum" just get you off.  You my friend are what's known as a social misfit.  Now, I realize that term is above your educational level so I don't anticipate a comment back but I can live with that.  I suggest you torment somebody on your 3rd grade level.  I'm a bit above you in EVERY respect.  Are you to ignorant to even realize that?  Has it not occurred to you that NOBODY responds to the ignorance of your postings?  You are ignored.  Why?  Quite simply, in 40 years of persuing the JFK case, you are, without a doubt the single most ignorant researcher I've ever encountered.  I doubt this is the first time  you've heard this.  Your juvenile posts, your inability to spell correctly, your inability to write correctly.  Good lord, how can one 70 year old man be as disappointing in so many respects as you are?  This must have taken alot of effort on your part.  I've told you but apparently it hasn't suck into that pea sized head of yours.  I will not address your ignorance any longer.  You are scum; you've always been scum and you'll be scum until your placed into the ground.  We can only hope that will be fairly soon.  I'm sick of my tax dollars supporting ignorant azzholes like you incapable of making a contribution to society.  Now, go fuck yourself!!!

On 2/16/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
You don't have the GUTS.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

 
I don't need help taking out the garbage.

On 2/15/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
Why not bring ed cage with you?
 
I'm running a BIG Sale.
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

 
You continue to show how ignorant you truly are.  I'll let you know when I'm back in Conneticut, my home state by the way.  You're in SERIOUS trouble.  Guard your valuables.

On 2/14/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
Just say where/when Faggot;
 
You just hit my REAL Hot Button.
 
You can even sell tickets to benefit the AIDS FUND to leave something for your family.
 
But, FIRST Address These;
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
Little girls (nor Faggots) ever frighten me.
 
I'm not Oswald.   I RETALIATE.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

 
See, there you go being stupid as usual.  I give you an opportunity to speak as an adult and what do you do?  The very same stupid things you do in the forum that allows people to belive you are a misfit.  It's apparent at this point that you lack either the knowledge or the ability to communicate on an adult level.  Now, if you want to continue to "take me on" in the forum, I can assure you I'll make you look dumber than soap.  It's your choice.  I suggest you grow up, dump that pathetic website that nobody visits and stop with the childish name calling.  If you choose not to, well, I'll bury you.  And yet, that's a threat.

On 2/14/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: How can you be this stupid?

 
Rossley:
 
With every post you make, I make you look like the embecile you are.  Why do you do this to yourself?
You are the laughing stock of this forum.  Have you no pride?  Have you no self respect?  What is your point?  You've not said one relevant thing on this forum!  That is fact.  You embarrass yourself with each posting you make.  Your website is a total and complete embarrassment and it reflects on YOU.  What part of this do you not understand.  I'm telling you this for your own benefit.  It's never to late to get an education!
 
Baileynme, aka spiffy, aka YoHarvey
 
Does this mean you are Finally going to address these official records Criminal?
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
 
 

SPIFFY-BAILEY-YO MOMMA HARVEY;  WHATEVER HIS NAME IS;


Refuses to address evidence/testimony from the Warren Commission Volumes that he Accepts.

Either he has NOT read them (proving Folly) or, he has read them but, chooses to participate in                                                                                                              a Criminal Cover-up.

When I beat the snot out of him with evidence/testimony he starts attacking me personally with insults.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I always ask if he's sure he wants to trade insults with me?                                                                                                            

When he's Stupid enough to say "Yes", I proceed to Bury him with Insults.

Resulting in the message from him below in Green.

WHO SAID PRAYERS DON'T WORK?

Here's what I got from the Child Molester.....

You continue to show how ignorant you truly are.  

I'll let you know when I'm back in Conneticut, my home state by the way. 

You're in SERIOUS trouble.  Guard your valuables.

(notice how he spells his home state)  Whatta Dork


On 2/14/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
Just say where/when Faggot;
 
You just hit my REAL Hot Button.
 
You can even sell tickets to benefit the AIDS FUND to leave something for your family.
 
But, FIRST Address These;
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
Little girls (nor Faggots) ever frighten me.
 
I'm not Oswald.   I RETALIATE.
 

 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

 
See, there you go being stupid as usual.  I give you an opportunity to speak as an adult and what do you do?  The very same stupid things you do in the forum that allows people to belive you are a misfit.  It's apparent at this point that you lack either the knowledge or the ability to communicate on an adult level.  Now, if you want to continue to "take me on" in the forum, I can assure you I'll make you look dumber than soap.  It's your choice.  I suggest you grow up, dump that pathetic website that nobody visits and stop with the childish name calling.  If you choose not to, well, I'll bury you.  And yet, that's a threat.

On 2/14/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: How can you be this stupid?

 
Rossley:
 
With every post you make, I make you look like the embecile you are.  Why do you do this to yourself?
You are the laughing stock of this forum.  Have you no pride?  Have you no self respect?  What is your point?  You've not said one relevant thing on this forum!  That is fact.  You embarrass yourself with each posting you make.  Your website is a total and complete embarrassment and it reflects on YOU.  What part of this do you not understand.  I'm telling you this for your own benefit.  It's never to late to get an education!
 
Baileynme, aka spiffy, aka YoHarvey
 
Does this mean you are Finally going to address these official records Criminal?
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
 


Paul



The Criminal Paul Mays Latest;

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
To: tomnln
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: How can you be this stupid?

See, there you go being stupid as usual.  I give you an opportunity to speak as an adult and what do you do?  The very same stupid things you do in the forum that allows people to belive you are a misfit.  It's apparent at this point that you lack either the knowledge or the ability to communicate on an adult level.  Now, if you want to continue to "take me on" in the forum, I can assure you I'll make you look dumber than soap.  It's your choice.  I suggest you grow up, dump that pathetic website that nobody visits and stop with the childish name calling.  If you choose not to, well, I'll bury you.  And yet, that's a threat.



MY REPLY;

Just say where/when Faggot;
 
You just hit my REAL Hot Button.
 
You can even sell tickets to benefit the AIDS FUND to leave something for your family.
 
But, FIRST Address These;
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
Little girls (nor Faggots) ever frighten me.
 
I'm not Oswald.   I RETALIATE.



 

On 2/14/07, tomnln <tomnln@cox.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: How can you be this stupid?

 
Rossley:
 
With every post you make, I make you look like the embecile you are.  Why do you do this to yourself?
You are the laughing stock of this forum.  Have you no pride?  Have you no self respect?  What is your point?  You've not said one relevant thing on this forum!  That is fact.  You embarrass yourself with each posting you make.  Your website is a total and complete embarrassment and it reflects on YOU.  What part of this do you not understand.  I'm telling you this for your own benefit.  It's never to late to get an education!
 
Baileynme, aka spiffy, aka YoHarvey
 
Does this mean you are Finally going to address these official records Criminal?
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
 




--
Paul




 

 

 

 

 

This guy must be a "Big Time Criminal".

He not only has an "Alias", he has Several Aliases.

So far he has used;

Spiffy

baileynme

YoHarvey

NOW he e-mailed me with the name Paul May. (see below)

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul May
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: How can you be this stupid?

Rossley:
 
With every post you make, I make you look like the embecile you are.  Why do you do this to yourself?
You are the laughing stock of this forum.  Have you no pride?  Have you no self respect?  What is your point?  You've not said one relevant thing on this forum!  That is fact.  You embarrass yourself with each posting you make.  Your website is a total and complete embarrassment and it reflects on YOU.  What part of this do you not understand.  I'm telling you this for your own benefit.  It's never to late to get an education!
 
Baileynme, aka spiffy, aka YoHarvey

================================================================

MY REPLY  (below)

 
Does this mean you are Finally going to address these official records Criminal?
 
http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/warren.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/reasonable.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm

============================================================

 

The REASON that baileynme Refuses to address evidence/testimony.

baileynme-spiffy wrote (below)

Let's dissect these comments.

Firstly, due to his receding hairline, Oswald looked much older than
24!  Next, whether Brennan saw the weapon with or without a scope is
absolutely unimportant.  There is NO proof Oswald used a scope in the
killing.  From a distance of 88 yards, a Marine Sharpshooter (which
Oswald was) easily could have used the sites. 

 In addition, when the
weapon was found, the scope was NOT on the MC. 
 

So, I ask once again,
what is the point of this?  Has this NOT been discussed over and over
and over again for 43 years??  I just don't get you CT's.  You rehash
the same evidence year after year, never introducing ANYTHING showing
what you claim to be a conspiracy and yet expect people to applaud
your efforts.  CT's for years have tried EVERYTHING to discredit
Howard Brennan.  Fortunately, CT's as expected have failed miserably.

Anyone have any idea what that thing on top of the rifle Lt. Day is holding?

baileynme/spiffy is a LIAR.




 

BAILEYNME also is known as Spiffy or some such thing.

He came into my chat room and said on 11/22/63 JFK's speech was going to commit MORE troops to Vietnam.

 

When I offered to forward that speech stating the Exact Opposite, to anyone in the room who wanted it, Spiffy RAN & hasn't been back since.

I post that speech from the JFK Library Below...

 

Remarks Prepared for Delivery at the Trade Mart in Dallas

President John F. Kennedy
November 22, 1963  

  I am honored to have this invitation to address the annual meeting of the Dallas Citizens Council, joined by the members of the Dallas Assembly--and pleased to have this opportunity to salute the Graduate Research Center of the Southwest.

      It is fitting that these two symbols of Dallas progress are united in the sponsorship of this meeting. For they represent the best qualities, I am told, of leadership and learning in this city--and leadership and learning are indispensable to each other. The advancement of learning depends on community leadership for financial and political support and the products of that learning, in turn, are essential to the leadership's hopes for continued progress and prosperity. It is not a coincidence that those communities possessing the best in research and graduate facilities--from MIT to Cal Tech--tend to attract the new and growing industries. I congratulate those of you here in Dallas who have recognized these basic facts through the creation of the unique and forward-looking Graduate Research Center.

      This link between leadership and learning is not only essential at the community level. It is even more indispensable in world affairs. Ignorance and misinformation can handicap the progress of a city or a company, but they can, if allowed to prevail in foreign policy, handicap this country's security. In a world of complex and continuing problems, in a world full of frustrations and irritations, America's leadership must be guided by the lights of learning and reason or else those who confuse rhetoric with reality and the plausible with the possible will gain the popular ascendancy with their seemingly swift and simple solutions to every world problem.

      There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.

      But today other voices are heard in the land--voices preaching doctrines wholly unrelated to reality, wholly unsuited to the sixties, doctrines which apparently assume that words will suffice without weapons, that vituperation is as good as victory and that peace is a sign of weakness. At a time when the national debt is steadily being reduced in terms of its burden on our economy, they see that debt as the greatest single threat to our security. At a time when we are steadily reducing the number of Federal employees serving every thousand citizens, they fear those supposed hordes of civil servants far more than the actual hordes of opposing armies.

      We cannot expect that everyone, to use the phrase of a decade ago, will "talk sense to the American people." But we can hope that fewer people will listen to nonsense. And the notion that this Nation is headed for defeat through deficit, or that strength is but a matter of slogans, is nothing but just plain nonsense.

      I want to discuss with you today the status of our strength and our security because this question clearly calls for the most responsible qualities of leadership and the most enlightened products of scholarship. For this Nation's strength and security are not easily or cheaply obtained, nor are they quickly and simply explained. There are many kinds of strength and no one kind will suffice. Overwhelming nuclear strength cannot stop a guerrilla war. Formal pacts of alliance cannot stop internal subversion. Displays of material wealth cannot stop the disillusionment of diplomats subjected to discrimination.

      Above all, words alone are not enough. The United States is a peaceful nation. And where our strength and determination are clear, our words need merely to convey conviction, not belligerence. If we are strong, our strength will speak for itself. If we are weak, words will be of no help.

      I realize that this Nation often tends to identify turning-points in world affairs with the major addresses which preceded them. But it was not the Monroe Doctrine that kept all Europe away from this hemisphere--it was the strength of the British fleet and the width of the Atlantic Ocean. It was not General Marshall's speech at Harvard which kept communism out of Western Europe--it was the strength and stability made possible by our military and economic assistance.

      In this administration also it has been necessary at times to issue specific warnings--warnings that we could not stand by and watch the Communists conquer Laos by force, or intervene in the Congo, or swallow West Berlin, or maintain offensive missiles on Cuba. But while our goals were at least temporarily obtained in these and other instances, our successful defense of freedom was due not to the words we used, but to the strength we stood ready to use on behalf of the principles we stand ready to defend.

      This strength is composed of many different elements, ranging from the most massive deterrents to the most subtle influences. And all types of strength are needed--no one kind could do the job alone. Let us take a moment, therefore, to review this Nation's progress in each major area of strength.

I.

      First, as Secretary McNamara made clear in his address last Monday, the strategic nuclear power of the United States has been so greatly modernized and expanded in the last 1,000 days, by the rapid production and deployment of the most modern missile systems, that any and all potential aggressors are clearly confronted now with the impossibility of strategic victory--and the certainty of total destruction--if by reckless attack they should ever force upon us the necessity of a strategic reply.

      In less than 3 years, we have increased by 50 percent the number of Polaris submarines scheduled to be in force by the next fiscal year, increased by more than 70 percent our total Polaris purchase program, increased by more than 75 percent our Minuteman purchase program, increased by 50 percent the portion of our strategic bombers on 15-minute alert, and increased by too percent the total number of nuclear weapons available in our strategic alert forces. Our security is further enhanced by the steps we have taken regarding these weapons to improve the speed and certainty of their response, their readiness at all times to respond, their ability to survive an attack, and their ability to be carefully controlled and directed through secure command operations.

II.

      But the lessons of the last decade have taught us that freedom cannot be defended by strategic nuclear power alone. We have, therefore, in the last 3 years accelerated the development and deployment of tactical nuclear weapons, and increased by 60 percent the tactical nuclear forces deployed in Western Europe.

      Nor can Europe or any other continent rely on nuclear forces alone, whether they are strategic or tactical. We have radically improved the readiness of our conventional forces--increased by 45 percent the number of combat ready Army divisions, increased by 100 percent the procurement of modern Army weapons and equipment, increased by 100 percent our ship construction, conversion, and modernization program, increased by too percent our procurement of tactical aircraft, increased by 30 percent the number of tactical air squadrons, and increased the strength of the Marines. As last month's "Operation Big Lift"--which originated here in Texas--showed so clearly, this Nation is prepared as never before to move substantial numbers of men in surprisingly little time to advanced positions anywhere in the world. We have increased by 175 percent the procurement of airlift aircraft, and we have already achieved a 75 percent increase in our existing strategic airlift capability. Finally, moving beyond the traditional roles of our military forces, we have achieved an increase of nearly 600 percent in our special forces--those forces that are prepared to work with our allies and friends against the guerrillas, saboteurs, insurgents and assassins who threaten freedom in a less direct but equally dangerous manner.

III.

      But American military might should not and need not stand alone against the ambitions of international communism. Our security and strength, in the last analysis, directly depend on the security and strength of others, and that is why our military and economic assistance plays such a key role in enabling those who live on the periphery of the Communist world to maintain their independence of choice. Our assistance to these nations can be painful, risky and costly, as is true in Southeast Asia today. But we dare not weary of the task. For our assistance makes possible the stationing of 3-5 million allied troops along the Communist frontier at one-tenth the cost of maintaining a comparable number of American soldiers. A successful Communist breakthrough in these areas, necessitating direct United States intervention, would cost us several times as much as our entire foreign aid program, and might cost us heavily in American lives as well.

      About 70 percent of our military assistance goes to nine key countries located on or near the borders of the Communist bloc--nine countries confronted directly or indirectly with the threat of Communist aggression--Viet-Nam, Free China, Korea, India, Pakistan, Thailand, Greece, Turkey, and Iran. No one of these countries possesses on its own the resources to maintain the forces which our own Chiefs of Staff think needed in the common interest. Reducing our efforts to train, equip, and assist their armies can only encourage Communist penetration and require in time the increased overseas deployment of American combat forces. And reducing the economic help needed to bolster these nations that undertake to help defend freedom can have the same disastrous result. In short, the $50 billion we spend each year on our own defense could well be ineffective without the $4 billion required for military and economic assistance.

      Our foreign aid program is not growing in size, it is, on the contrary, smaller now than in previous years. It has had its weaknesses, but we have undertaken to correct them. And the proper way of treating weaknesses is to replace them with strength, not to increase those weaknesses by emasculating essential programs. Dollar for dollar, in or out of government, there is no better form of investment in our national security than our much-abused foreign aid program. We cannot afford to lose it. We can afford to maintain it. We can surely afford, for example, to do as much for our 19 needy neighbors of Latin America as the Communist bloc is sending to the island of Cuba alone.

IV.

      I have spoken of strength largely in terms of the deterrence and resistance of aggression and attack. But, in today's world, freedom can be lost without a shot being fired, by ballots as well as bullets. The success of our leadership is dependent upon respect for our mission in the world as well as our missiles--on a clearer recognition of the virtues of freedom as well as the evils of tyranny.

      That is why our Information Agency has doubled the short-wave broadcasting power of the Voice of America and increased the number of broadcasting hours by 30 percent, increased Spanish language broadcasting to Cuba and Latin America from I to 9 hours a day, increased seven-fold to more than 3-5 million copies the number of American books being translated and published for Latin American readers, and taken a host of other steps to carry our message of truth and freedom to all the far corners of the earth.

      And that is also why we have regained the initiative in the exploration of outer space, making an annual effort greater than the combined total of all space activities undertaken during the fifties, launching more than 130 vehicles into earth orbit, putting into actual operation valuable weather and communications satellites, and making it clear to all that the United States of America has no intention of finishing second in space.

      This effort is expensive--but it pays its own way, for freedom and for America. For there is no longer any fear in the free world that a Communist lead in space will become a permanent assertion of supremacy and the basis of military superiority. There is no longer any doubt about the strength and skill of American science, American industry, American education, and the American free enterprise system. In short, our national space effort represents a great gain in, and a great resource of, our national strength--and both Texas and Texans are contributing greatly to this strength.

      Finally, it should be clear by now that a nation can be no stronger abroad than she is at home. Only an America which practices what it preaches about equal rights and social justice will be respected by those whose choice affects our future. Only an America which has fully educated its citizens is fully capable of tackling the complex problems and perceiving the hidden dangers of the world in which we live. And only an America which is growing and prospering economically can sustain the worldwide defenses of freedom, while demonstrating to all concerned the opportunities of our system and society.

      It is clear, therefore, that we are strengthening our security as well as our economy by our recent record increases in national income and output--by surging ahead of most of Western Europe in the rate of business expansion and the margin of corporate profits, by maintaining a more stable level of prices than almost any of our overseas competitors, and by cutting personal and corporate income taxes by some $ I billion, as I have proposed, to assure this Nation of the longest and strongest expansion in our peacetime economic history.

      This Nation's total output--which 3 years ago was at the $500 billion mark--will soon pass $600 billion, for a record rise of over $too billion in 3 years. For the first time in history we have 70 million men and women at work. For the first time in history average factory earnings have exceeded $100 a week. For the first time in history corporation profits after taxes--which have risen 43 percent in less than 3 years--have an annual level f $27.4 billion.

      My friends and fellow citizens: I cite these facts and figures to make it clear that America today is stronger than ever before. Our adversaries have not abandoned their ambitions, our dangers have not diminished, our vigilance cannot be relaxed. But now we have the military, the scientific, and the economic strength to do whatever must be done for the preservation and promotion of freedom.

      That strength will never be used in pursuit of aggressive ambitions--it will always be used in pursuit of peace. It will never be used to promote provocations--it will always be used to promote the peaceful settlement of disputes.

      We in this country, in this generation, are--by destiny rather than choice--the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."  

 

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